Friday, June 9, 2017

UPDATED::Notes:: Twatwaffle of the Week for June 7, 2017 (#9)

UPDATE:: Pat Robertson: Nothing In The Bible Says Polygamy Is ‘Against The Bible’
Even the bloviating windbag knows complementarianism is bunk, I don't  know of “anything in the Bible that indicates that polygamy, as such, is against the Bible.”

My only caveat, as Robertson's point may not have been clear, while the OT does not condemn polygamy (without deep study) it appears as if polygamy is verboten in the NT. While the Matt and Mk verses speak to divorce, it talks of adultery - if one divorces one's spouse without valid grounds, the marriage is not truly dissolved and subsequent marriage is adulterous.  Paul, in Romans 7:3 pretty much says the same,"So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man."

Just to note how fucked up the Bile is concerning  polygamy and divorce, the usual song and dance given from an apologetic POV goes thusly,
  • God allowed polygamy (Lamech the taking of two wives Gen 4:19; Deuteronomy 21:15-17 made provision in the Law for polygamous marriages; affirmed polygamy through His prophet Nathan in 2 Samuel 12:7-8; and even required such Gen 38:6-10, Deut 25:5-10, Levirite marriage) but this doesn't mean that it is something God wants us to do.
  • Divorce was "authorized" in the Mosaic Law (Deut 24), and "demanded" in the case of the returned exiles (Ezra 10). But, divorce is:: hated by God (Mal 2:16), prohibited by Jesus, except in extreme situations (Matt 19), permitted by God because of human failings (Mt 19.8).
  •  BUT, the proscriptions above are "only" exceptions to behavioral norms that we are to follow. 
I don't know about you, but that ain't how I read it.  This is why I say that the Bile can not be used as a manual for relationships let alone anything else we face in the modern world.  Like Pat, it speaks from both sides.
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Callie's thoughts
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10155367105709483&id=784114482

Some of DBs bullshit

https://resources.christiangays.com/information/biblical-marriage-bad-source-debate/




See also:: http://theweek.com/articles/475141/how-marriage-changed-over-centuries


https://www.au.org/blogs/wall-of-separation/more-than-marriage-obergefell-v-hodges-is-about-women-s-rights-too


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/gay-marriage-scotus-ross-douthat-oppression-vs-love 

https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/14-556q1_7l48.pdf (10-11, 70-71)

https://thinkprogress.org/justice-ginsburg-eviscerates-the-case-against-marriage-equality-in-just-five-sentences-3dcd28ffd8cd

See also:  When ‘Redefining Marriage’ Meant That Women Had To Be Treated Like Human Beings https://thinkprogress.org/when-redefining-marriage-meant-that-women-had-to-be-treated-like-human-beings-e9024a86ee44

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/10/the-genesis-code/379341/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complementarianism  http://thewartburgwatch.com/2016/07/18/history-of-complementarianism-part-1/ 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danvers_Statement

https://www.ted.com/talks/christopher_ryan_are_we_designed_to_be_sexual_omnivores?language=en

http://jorymicah.com/dismantling-the-falsity-that-complementarianism-is-clearly-biblical/

https://classicalwisdom.com/greek_books/the-symposium/3/

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