Monday, July 30, 2018

Show Notes::MRFF opponents seek Trump's help, w/ Chris Rodda




Latest bit of news concerning MRFF encompasses a few recent news items of interest -- Todd Starnes (and Mike Huckabee), Robert Jeffress and the DoD, and POW/MIA tables. While the Jeffress/Starnes fiasco are important, our focus is going to be the POW/MIA tables, but to understand the "news" about the tables, one needs to be aware of the preceding garbage.

Where to find Chris
MRFF
Sekulow and MRFF

Trump’s lawyer and Chief Counsel of the ACLJ (American Center for Law and Justice) https://aclj.org/, a politically conservative, Christian-based social activism and watchdog organization associated with Regent University School of Law in Virginia; IOWs Pat Robertson. In some circles they are consider the anti- American Civil Liberties Union. Jay Sekulow, who I will mention as reference and not criticism, is a Messianic Jew, is so hot and bothered by MRFF’s fight in Okinawa.

Now MRFFs history with Sekulow is fairly encompassing. https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2017/08/8917-trumps-lawyer-and-chief-counsel-of-the-aclj-jay-sekulow-attacks-mikeymrff-outlandish-angry-atheist-attack-claims-conference-that-includes-facebook-and-google-executives-somehow-vi/ Of interest to us tonight is a piece (actually two) you did concerning the "DMZ flag" at the Air Force’s Enlisted Heritage Hall, a museum at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama.

What the “DMZ flag” is all about?

The exhibit in question consisted of a mannequin in an airman's uniform standing next to a Christian chapel flag with a sign telling the following story:

"This Christian Flag is significant because it was rescued from the ruins of an American Chapel that ultimately found itself situated in the Demilitarized Zone separating North and South Korea. In 1960, a young A1C Luke Holcomb, was assigned to the post along the Demilitarized Zone. From his duty section he could see what remained of the chapel and was fascinated by the site [sic] of the U.S. and Christian flags leaning against the rear corner of the building. One night, he and three friends swam across the river separating them from the chapel, and at the risk of death, they liberated the flags. It was his wish that this flag be displayed in dedication of the Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen who risked their lives during the Korean Conflict."


So, how does the ACLJ twist the facts about MRFF’s efforts to get the historically dubious story of the airman allegedly retrieving the Christian chapel flag from the Korean DMZ in 1960 removed? Well, for starters, by claiming that MRFF is attacking history.
Its petition-signer-getting article, titled “Defend the Chaplain Flag, the Cross, and Christians Who Serve Our Nation,” begins:
In the latest attack by Mikey Weinstein and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), the target is not only the United States military (MRFF’s venomous specialty) but is also an attack on history, in this case the history of the Korean War.”

Other media concerning “DMZ flag”
Group wants Maxwell AFB museum to remove Christian flag from exhibit
Exhibit Director at Maxwell exchange emails with Rodda
Defend the Chaplain Flag, the Cross, and Christians Who Serve Our Nation (ACLJ)

Jeffress and MRFF
On June 24, 2018, "First Baptist Dallas", the Texas mega-church pastored by Robert Jeffress, had its annual “Freedom Sunday” event. During this event, Robert Jeffress was initially advertised as delivering his presentation titled “America is a Christian Nation.” During a “Salute to our U.S. Armed Forces” portion of the event, the official seals of the branches of the U.S. Armed Forces were to be very largely and prominently displayed. The display of these official seals by any non-federal entity is strictly prohibited,,,



MRFF not only contacted Jeffress but the DoD (Defense Secretary Jim Mattis) as well, as a result,,, did Jeffress comply considering “First Baptist Church released a statement Friday: "We plan to honor our military this Sunday at our Celebrate Freedom services, as planned." “

First Baptist Dallas removed, TODAY, a video and image of the official Military Department Seals from its website promoting the event. Thus, all indications are that these same Seals will NOT be illegally used at this weekend's "Freedom Sunday" event as they had been previously and in DIRECT VIOLATION of the DoD guidance entitled "Important Information and Guidelines About the Use of Department of Defense Seals, Logos, Insignia, and Service Medals."

What is an important take-away from this bit of news, “Department of Defense guidelines allow use of Armed Forces seals only for official military use. The MRFF says the church's use of the seals in its program makes it appear the Armed Forces endorses the event, which is this Sunday.” That first sentence should end it right there,,, but to often it does not.

In the last week, a media company removed controversial billboards which showed the title for Freedom Sunday, "America is a Christian Nation." http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2018/06/18/america-is-a-christian-nation-billboards-come-down-in-dallas-after-complaints/

Other media

Starnes and MRFF

Like Sekulow, MRFF has a “storied” history with Starnes but for our purposed tonight, our interest is concerning his recent whinge RE Jeffress mentioned prior. https://www.toddstarnes.com/show/pentagon-tells-church-to-remove-military-seals-after-complain/

What makes this newsworthy, as MRFF notes, *Original Headline Read: "Pentagon Tells Church to Remove Military Seals After Atheist Group Complains". Revised Headline Reads: "Pentagon Tells Church to Remove Military Seals After Complaints" (Saturday, June 23, 2018). You see, recently MRFF had to send a cease and desist letter to Starnes to stop calling MRFF an “atheist” organization. It's really comic gold in the snark category, but obviously got the point across.


There was a time when I thought perhaps you were innocently confusing the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) with a separate, unrelated, organization by the name of Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF). You’ve no doubt seen their television commercials with President Reagan’s son, Ron. The Military Religious Freedom Foundation is different. It is not an atheist organization. It is a secular civil rights advocacy organization of which approximately 96% of its current and retired armed forces clients are Christian as are about 80% of the Foundation staffers.
Given that this has occurred a number of times I would like to ask a favor. Would you please have someone in the Fox News legal department, preferably an attorney who knows something about the law of libel and slander, call me so that I can have a conversation with them about what in the world it is going to take to impress upon you the need to stop doing this.

Following, or about the same time (the time frames of when shit actually happened gets a bit blurry), this happened, in Todd Starnes’ new opinion piece on Foxnews.com, http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/07/19/todd-starnes-air-force-surrenders-to-demand-to-replace-bible-with-generic-book-faith-on-powmia-table.html the vocal detractor calls MRFF a “militant organization” rather than “atheist organization.” So the letter appears to have worked for the moment. But where Starnes goes into bizarro-land, he “urge[s] the Trump administration to defend the POW/MIA tables.” IOWs defy the Constitution.

Tweeting,

And stating in a subsequent OPed, “Let’s cut to the chase – President Trump needs to immediately intervene and put a stop to these ugly attacks from the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.” https://www.toddstarnes.com/show/air-force-base-defends-replacing-bible-with-generic-book-of-faith/

Just to note, Starnes' over-the-top reaction also coincides with another MRFF victory in my home city of Buffalo. And just so people are aware, it is not the tables nor the symbolism of the tables MRFF and others are fighting against, it is the placement of the Bible. A point we will delve into a bit more later.

Huckabee
You know this bloviating fucknut couldn't be too far behind in all this,,,

This is an issue I'd love to see the president interject himself into. I'd love to see him say, as commander in chief of the military, 'Put the Bible back on the table. Let's not be stupid about this.'”
As noted by Chris, now the FRC has chimed in,,,
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So with that bit of house keeping out of the why we come to the crux of tonight's show – POW/MIA tables.

A thought I have concerning this apparent merging of narratives. It is well known that one of the Reich's tactic is to throw spaghetti on the wall and see what sticks – ie the various anti-LGBT bills we saw similar to the debacle in AZ kinda sorta ending with Pence's mess that initiated numerous corporate boycotts in IN. http://interestinghmm.blogspot.com/2015/10/lines-being-drawn-for-indianas-next.html. It is a tactic put forth by the pro-fetus organizations adopted by the anti-LGBT crowd and now appears to be trickling into the various military cases.

Now the SOCAS work MRFF has engaged in is very necessary. There are blatant violations, one would have to be a complete idiot not to see such IMO. But yet, the Reich's objects. Do you think, that these objections to the removal of the Bible (and Seals) are a new flavor of spaghetti?

The Beginning as I know it, (or I should say when I started to pay more attention). The MIA table issue “began” around 2016. As Chris notes the changing of the tradition began much much earlier,,,

2/25/16 - New Testament Bible Removed from Akron, OH VA POW/MIA Table http://militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/2016/Akron_VA_2-25-16.html
4/4/16 - New Testament Bible Removed from Youngstown, OH VA POW/MIA Table http://militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/Youngstown_VA_Victory_4_4_16.html
4/8/16 - New Testament Bible Removed from Wright Patterson AFB, OH POW/MIA Table http://militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/OHIO_HatTrick_4_8_16.html
4/11/16 - New Testament Bible Removed from Houston, TX VA POW/MIA Table http://militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/MRFF_4th_Victory_POW_MIA_4_11_16.html
4/19/16 - New Testament Bible Removed from Tobyhanna, PA VA POW/MIA Table http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/2016/TobyhannaArmyDepotPOW_MIA_4-19-16.html
9/16/16 - New Testament Bible Removed from Eglin AFB, FL Allergy Clinic Table https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/bibleRemoved_Eglin_USAFbase_9_16_16.html
10/18/16 - MRFF commends Chillicothe Veteran Affairs Medical Center (VAMC) in Athens Ohio, for prompt New Testament Bible removal from Medical Health Clinic http://militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/bibleRemoved_Athens_10_17_16V2.html
Nov 2017 - DENVER VA MEDICAL CENTER PROMPTLY REMOVES UNCONSTITUTIONAL BIBLE FROM "MISSING MAN TABLE!" https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/2017/DENVER_VA_MEDICAL_CENTER_REMOVES_BIBLE_NOVEMBER_2017.html
June 2018 - Group files IG complaint against Navy over Bible included in Okinawa POW/MIA display http://militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/2018/MRFF_Stars_Stripes_DodIG_June_2018.html
MRFF SENDS OFFICIAL DoD/IG COMPLAINT LETTER RE: OKINAWA NAVAL BASE; DEMANDS BIBLE REMOVAL https://www.stripes.com/news/group-files-ig-complaint-against-navy-over-bible-included-in-okinawa-pow-mia-display-1.534982
July 2018 - MRFF's Efforts Lead to Bible Replacement at F.E. Warren AFB, Special Thanks to Colonel Stacy J. Huser, Wing Commander of the 90th Missile Wing at F.E. Warren Air Force Base (AFB) http://militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/2018/_Warren_Bible_Replaced_2018.html
July 2018 - MRFF's PERSISTENCE LEADS TO BUFFALO, NEW YORK's VA MEDICAL CENTER REMOVING UNAUTHORIZED BIBLES FROM POW/MIA TABLE! http://militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/2018/VA_Buffalo_Bibles_Removed_2018.html

The Okinowa and FEWarren issues seem to be the ones stuck in the Reich's craw. But as you can see, this is not a new issue concerning the tables.

What exactly is a POW/MIA table and when did it get it's start?
The Missing Man Table is a place of honor, set up in military dining facilities of the U.S. armed forces and during occasions such as service branch birthday balls, in memory of fallen, missing, or imprisoned military service-members. The table serves as the focal point of ceremonial remembrance, originally growing out of US concern of the Vietnam War POW/MIA issue. From my understanding, the tables are only used at dine-in functions.
The original tradition of these tables started by the River Rats in 1967 did NOT include a Bible, and
neither does the American Legion's version, which sticks to the original tradition. We are not trying totake away a tradition, as the fundies are claiming to get their followers all outraged; we are trying to
RESTORE this tradition to the original one that honored POWs and MIAs of ALL religions or no religion.

General symbolism, although there are variations in some things that do not appear to this layman understanding to take away from the meaning.

Symbolism

This description is from Wiki for simplicity sake. Concecus sems to agree from othre readings with the only discrepancy being the inclusion of the Bible; which we will get to.

  • Table: set for one, is small, symbolizing the frailty of one isolated prisoner.
  • Tablecloth is white, symbolic of the purity of their intentions to respond to their country’s call to arms.
  • Single red rose in the vase, signifies the blood that many have shed in sacrifice to ensure the freedom of America.
  • The red ribbon (yellow ribbon for Air Force ceremonies) represents the love of our country
  • Slice of lemon on the bread plate: represents the bitter fate of the missing.
  • Salt sprinkled on the bread plate: symbolic of the countless fallen tears of families as they wait.
  • Inverted glass: represents the fact that the missing and fallen cannot partake.
  • Lit candle: reminiscent of the light of hope which lives in our hearts to illuminate their way home, away from their captors, to the open arms of a grateful nation.
  • Empty chair: the missing and fallen aren't present.
Notice what is missing in that description?

That above description from my understanding is what the RiverRats intended when THEY began the tradition in 1967.


MRFF first filed a complaint about the display with Rear Adm. Paul Pearigen, Navy Medicine West commander, on April 5. The Navy later said it investigated the matter but found that including the Bible was “consistent with Department of the Navy and Department of Defense guidance, as well as the U.S. Constitution.”
,,,
The official Navy or Defense Department stance on Bibles being included in POW/MIA “Missing Man” table displays remains unclear. However, a report on the Navy’s website from 2014 describes the Bible as being an official part of the display. https://www.stripes.com/news/group-files-ig-complaint-against-navy-over-bible-included-in-okinawa-pow-mia-display-1.534982

In general news sources, things like some POW/MIA orgs, and the like there is nary a mention of the Red River Valley Fighter Pilots Association ... River Rats is just their nickname ... and the organization still exists today. Its as if the guys never existed because they didn't worship like the theonuts in power so their contribution to the remembrance of are missing is of no consequence.


'America's White Table by Margot Theis Raven. The book explains why members of the military set a single white table in mess halls as a way to honor fallen or missing soldiers.

America's White Table, Jul 9 2005 | Video | C-SPAN.org https://www.c-span.org/video/?185999-1/americas-white-table Margot begins at the 10:17 mark reading from her book.

Okinawa Table

If you remember, I mentioned Jay Sekulow, this is the bit where he comes into play

Trump’s lawyer and Chief Counsel of the ACLJ, Jay Sekulow, is so hot and bothered by MRFF’s fight in Okinawa, he had the ACLJ team put together a rambling 12-page letter of their own promoting bigoted religious favoritism — which includes plentiful,absolutely fake, and discredited historical statements and an enormous amount of inapplicable/bogus caselaw — it’s posted on their website’s front page! http://media.aclj.org/pdf/LTR-Garrison-7-2-18_Redacted.pdf






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