Saturday, May 2, 2020

You sure sound like an anti-vaxxer


You really shouldn't get your information from Mike Adams of Natural News nor Corvelva. I should note Adams gets his information from Child Health Defense, ie RFK Jr “which got it from a report by these Italian scientists. Basically, the Corvelva group claims to have found a complete human MRC-5 genome in a lot of Priorix Tetra vaccine (A71CB256A). Priorix Tetra is an MMRV (measles-mumps-rubella-varicella) vaccine made by GlaxoSmithKline. The rubella and varicella viral stocks for this vaccine are grown in MRC-5 cells, while the other two are grown in chick embryo cells. Here’s how RFK Jr.’s fever swamp described the findings,,,”

It should be noted, “Priorix Tetra isn’t even used in the US; here the MMRV vaccine of choice is ProQuad, which is manufactured by Merck.”


But I digress,,,

You make a very bold claim there Ms Jillian - “human DNA present in vaccines.” I won't ask for evidence as I know you don't have any. But I do, to the contrary.

Point 1
Some vaccines are produced using cell culture, a method to grow cells in a culture medium independent from the original organism, from two aborted fetuses. The two cell lines used for this manufacturing are the WI-38, fetal lung fibroblasts originally cultured in the early 1960s, and the MRC-5, fetal lung fibroblasts cultured independently in 1966.

Why do we use these cell cultures for vaccine manufacturing? Well, it’s fairly simple – the viruses, say chickenpox (varicella), grow best on actual human cells. Using these cell cultures, scientists can control certain aspects of the virus. For example, to attenuate (or weaken) some of these viruses before being used in the vaccine, they grow the cells (and the infecting viruses) at a relatively low temperature. The virus then becomes adapted, through natural selection, to the low temperature culture. When the vaccine is used, and it is injected into the 37ÂșC body, the virus is weakened and does not replicate. So it induces the immune response without the virus become a pathogen and injuring the body.
Basically, you are about 3 generations removed from the original. The cells used are descendants of cells from human fetuses, but the vaccines themselves contain none of the original cells and at most very slight traces of human DNA.

What is important to remember, these are cultured cells lines. IOWs “the process by which cells are grown under controlled conditions, generally outside their natural environment. After the cells of interest have been isolated from living tissue, they can subsequently be maintained under carefully controlled conditions.”


Point 2

As Orac notes, (highly recommended read)
1] [T]his is not an article (by Corvelva, which Adams cites) reporting medical research in the peer-reviewed medical literature. It wasn’t even published in a bottom-feeding predatory journal. Rather, it was published as a monography. 

2] Corvelva’s report includes nothing in the way of detailed methods, so that scientists can evaluate their findings.
Corvelva's premise is centered upon an incorrect comparison.
,,,Corvelva compared the sequence they claim to have found in the vaccine with the sequence of a normal human genome using a special circular plot that shows abnormalities in terms of deletions . What didn’t they compare it to? As far as I can tell, they didn’t compare it to DNA from a sample of MRC-5 cell line.
Corvelva then implies that vaccines somehow get into cells. Jillian furthers this notion in her twisted understanding of how vaccines are developed and work. Stating that human DNA is necessary in vaccines due to the virus needing a host. That's not quite how it works.

As ORAC explains,
Remember, vaccines are injected intramuscularly, where the antigens basically stay,,,

In general, it’s difficult to induce human cells to take up foreign DNA in tissue. Even with viral vectors, it’s hard to get more than a small percentage of cells not only to take up the DNA but to express detectable levels of protein. 

But that’s not all. Even human cells that can take up random bits of extracellular DNA at very low efficiency (like muscle) do not integrate that DNA into their genome. Even if the DNA did reach the nucleus, recombination into the host genome would be both random and rare. Each cell would incorporate different bits of DNA into different locations in its genome. The bottom line is that, even if that tiny amount of fetal DNA had any carcinogenicity, most of it would simply be broken down in the extracellular space, and the only cells it might get into would be muscle cells and (maybe) immune cells.
Bear in mind that ORACs response to Corvelva deals with the claim made by the AV crowd that the vaccine industry is inoculating children with engineered cancer.

You Jillian, OTOH, have twisted Corvelva's mis-information even further. As far as I can tell, your notion would only hold “true” with regard to a live virus vaccine (measles, mumps, rubella, rotavirus, smallpox, chickenpox, yellow fever).

Yes, fetal cell lines are used in the manufacturing of aome vaccines.

No, DNA from those cell lines are not present in the vaccines. If so, it would be very slight traces.

Even if human DNA was present, vaccines are inject IM. As ORAC notes, it’s difficult to induce human cells to take up foreign DNA in tissue.

Your premise Jillian, for the presence of human DNA, is faulty as you do not understand how vaccines are manufactured. Throwing a defense of Bill Gates into the mix, makes you look gutless.  Gates is a well informed philanthropist, not a vaccine developer. He needs no defense for the work he encourages and funds.

Addendum::
Initially I was I was going to take a different tactic but determined less is better. But I would be remiss in not mentioning Theresa Deisher, founder of the Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute

While I have never seen an inkling that Jillian is familiar with Deisher's work, this idea of human DNA in vaccines, also has roots with her and Helen Ratajczak. Dating as far back as 2009.

While I don't want to go too far down the rabbit hole, Deisher claims: “(1) vaccines manufactured using virus grown in cell lines derived from human fetuses correlate with autism diagnoses and (2) that there is fetal DNA in these vaccines that can recombine with infant DNA to cause autism. In trying to prove (1), Deisher has used the typical inept—or just plain badepidemiological techniques that have been used by antivaccinationists of all stripes since time immemorial (or at least since the 1980s).

Notes::
1] The name for which CORVELVA is an abbreviation is Coordinamento Regionale Veneto per la LibertĂ  delle Vaccinazioni, which stands for “Veneto Regional Coordination for Vaccine Freedom,” and the group’s guiding principle is “the free choice of vaccinations.”

2] Why would scientists choose to use cells from an aborted human fetus?


3] According to the Charlotte Lozier Institute, an anti-abortion think tank founded in 2011. “few vaccines are now produced using fetal cell lines, and none using fetal tissue.  Newer cell lines, e.g., A549 cells (adult human), Sf9 cells (insect), EB66 (duck), and better culture techniques make reliance on fetal cells an antiquated science.”

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