Showing posts with label Jonathan Shelley. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Jonathan Shelley. Show all posts

Friday, July 29, 2022

For Week Ending 7/24/22

Plan B,,,


Kinda sort a quiet week, or at least it seemed to be. Then again, the NIFBY nit-wits are in the mix, all bets are off. 

Bear in mind Shelley is not the first NIFBY idiot to travel this route as Steven Anderson broached such in 2014. https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/steven-anderson-wacko-tempe-pastor-now-in-anti-semitism-business-6651793 Anderson has given sermons covering such subjects as “The Jews and Their Lies,” “Hebrew Roots Movement Exposed,” “The Jews Are Antichrists,” “Jews Worship a Different God Than Christians,” “The Jews Are the Racists,” and “The Jews Killed Jesus.”

Anderson also co-produced with Paul Wittenberger, the anti-Semitic film Marching to Zion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hWmx0niWuU

But what is so very, very funny - and I do mean in a haha way – Hemant Mehta, the Friendly Atheist, has gotten under another NIFBY hate preacher's skin, one Aaron Thompson. https://onlysky.media/hemant-mehta/a-christian-hate-preacher-condemned-me-for-quoting-him-accurately/

As Hemant notes, ignoring the dribbled coming from Thompson,

New IFB churches are relatively tiny. They rent out space in strip malls and preach to tens of people at a time. However, years ago, they learned the power of live-streaming their sermons on YouTube, allowing casual viewers from all over the country to listen to their preaching. In any given week, the number of people watching their sermons is comparable to a fairly decent-sized church, which is why the pastors always make sure their video cameras and microphones are working. They preach multiple sermons a week and put everything online.

Here’s the problem, though. Unlike most of those other churches, the New IFB people are antisemitic and anti-LGBTQ. They believe that, in a perfect Christian world, the government would prosecute gay people, convict them on sodomy charges, and execute them. Not only do they openly call for the government-sanctioned murder of gay people, they are downright giddy when a mass shooting takes the life of LGBTQ people,,,

So when Aaron Thompson whines about being “persecuted,” he’s saying that when people like me share clips of him saying indefensible, violent things, it often leads to strikes or bans on his YouTube channels, which prevents his bigotry from reaching larger groups of people than he ever could on his own.

And here Hemant hits the nail,

For what it’s worth, I don’t share those Christian hate-preacher clips because I hate Christianity. If they didn’t say outlandish, cruel things all the time, I wouldn’t post about them. Most preachers aren’t in the business of creating content for atheist YouTubers and podcasters; these guys absolutely are. I don’t have to take them out of context because their in-context remarks are awful enough on their own.

I’m holding up a mirror to them, and guys like Thompson don’t like what they see.

If you track the NIFBY idiots as I have done for almost 10 years, it is good to keep what Hemant has to say close to mind. While this faction of hate preaching has been kept in check - sorta, what is gaining traction in the pipes may bust out at any time. (Greg Locke comes to mind; see Telltale Unfiltered for some interesting content. https://www.youtube.com/c/TelltaleUnfiltered/playlists)

I have never liked Josh Feuerstein especially since his 2015 camera scam. https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2015/04/27/wheres-the-camera-you-promised-to-buy/ He has only gotten worse, CV vaccine denial and a role in January 5, 2021 events. https://www.newsweek.com/pastor-joshua-feuerstein-says-you-dont-need-vaccine-you-got-jesus-delta-surges-1617659 His next scandal should not surprise anyone.

From the FFRF, 

https://ffrf.org/news/news-releases/item/41288-penalize-a-shamelessly-politicking-ariz-church-ffrf-insists-to-the-irs

The IRS must immediately take action against a politicking Arizona church that is openly challenging the tax agency, the Freedom From Religion Foundation is demanding.

The Redeemer Apostolic Church in Mesa, Ariz., has recently been involved in blatant electioneering. The church hosted Pastor Joshua Feuerstein to perform a prayer revival event on Feb. 4. At this event, Feuerstein openly endorsed Jerone Davison’s candidacy for the U.S. Congress. Feuerstein even acknowledged that his endorsement of Davison was illegal and dared the IRS to take action against him,,,

Feuerstein clip - https://twitter.com/hemantmehta/status/1549133246755127300

If anything transpires I will be surprised. Since 2008 only one of more than 2,000 Christian clergy deliberately challenging the Johnson Amendment has been audited, and none has been punished. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-is-wrong-pulpit-freedom-already-exists/2016/08/05/77706c10-5815-11e6-9aee-8075993d73a2_story.html

And FYI, the 1954 Johnson Amendment, basically states that churches and other nonprofit organizations that are exempt from taxation "are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office." https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/the-restriction-of-political-campaign-intervention-by-section-501c3-tax-exempt-organizations

Here's a name I haven't uttered since 2014-ish - Michael Peroutka!! https://twitter.com/hemantmehta/status/1549798005527773189 For those that remember, in 2014, Answers in Genesis had an Allosaurus fragilis donated to the Creation Museum by Peroutka. https://www.capitalgazette.com/cg2-arc-25cef04f-9950-5947-91ea-6da3ca34af9e-20140714-story.html

Vice sums up the current version of him well,,, https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjkbdb/michael-peroutka-gop-maryland-attorney-general

Michael Peroutka thinks American leaders must “take a biblical worldview and apply it to civil law and government.”

He’s a former board member of the neo-Confederate League of the South, has said he’s “still angry” that Maryland was blocked from seceding during the Civil War.

He thinks public education is a communist plot, says laws protecting abortion and gay marriage are illegal and unenforceable because they violate God’s law, and called the concept of the separation of church and state a “great lie.”

Peroutka won the GQP primary to become Maryland's next attorney general. Vice notes, 

His views are extreme even for the modern Republican Party, and once would be considered disqualifying for any major party nominee for statewide office. But his emergence as a serious candidate shows just how far the door has been thrown open to extremism in the Republican Party. The GOP base’s embrace of election falsehoods and anti-science COVID-19 conspiracy theories, and flirtation with white supremacist rhetoric has given once- fringe figures like Peroutka an opening to push into the political mainstream.

To be clear, Peroutka has not changed. But the party base that’s embracing him has.

Very troublesome times are ahead if these nutters gain ground.

For those interested, Hemant's podcast which discusses Thompson and Peroutka - Podcast Ep. 436: Who's the Real Hate-Preacher? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGun0oqEZUM&t=1311s

Time for a wee bit of comic relief as I am so reminded of the scene in Star Trek 5: The Final Frontier where Kirk ask god why he needs a starship. Sadly, Katt Kerr in her bit of fantasy is not jesting. https://twitter.com/hemantmehta/status/1549140007377567745

Is it sad that how I broach Kerr's religiosity is in a jesting manner? I seriously can not take this woman seriously!!

So that will do it for this installment as I am approaching the time limit. In an update to the Guidestones debacle. They still have no leads as to the bomber and there are talks underway to maybe rebuild. https://www.yahoo.com/news/georgia-guidestones-bomber-eludes-investigators-170229994.html Obviously not everyone had the impression that a satanic cabal was responsible for its construction and what was written on the Stones.

Monday, July 8, 2019

Show Notes:: We talk NIFB (Extremely Long)





Anderson's horrid Deborah and Barack sermon https://interestinghmm.blogspot.com/2013/09/no-longer-fringe.html


Suris and Atheist Rationale have put out a wonderful video - The NIFB, Know Who They are, and What They Do (Ft. The Atheist Rationalle) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG13mzYzBZo

Steve Anderson sermon transcripts http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/page9.html

Anderson https://www.youtube.com/user/sanderson1611 is the pastor at Faithful Word Baptist Church http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/ in Tempe, AZ.

 

Crooks and Liars https://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/gospel-hate-arizona-pastor-steve-and and MSNBC [?], https://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/reportage-youll-never-see-fox-msnbcs




the best critiques of christians are other christians – they can be brutal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcao2TYVoxo

Simply put, McMurty is notorious for ''othering” https://youtu.be/QG13mzYzBZo?t=535

McMurty for all it's worth mirrors Anderson's rhetoric. Right down to killing LGBTQI+

Today, A Youtube Channel named “Let God Burn Them Quickly!” uploaded a video where Tommy McMurtry is recorded as saying he hoped for protesters and violence at the MASA conference giving them the opportunity to kill people while hiding behind the “Stand Your Ground” law in Florida.
Pray that if they do any protests that it gets violent … they have Stand Your Ground in Florida”
He continues to say that since they can fight back he wants people to become violent so that he can legally “protect” himself against people he perceives to be “an easy win.” The NIFB is known for brandishing weapons and stalking their critics.(Note both the channel and video in question have been removed from YT for hate speech.) http://nifbcult.com/tommy-mcmurtry-prays-for-violence/

Bruce Mejia of Faithful Word Baptist Church in Los Angeles CA. http://fwbcla.org/

we believe they should be put to death. They should die! And I will never grieve over a sodomite that is killed or that is put to death or any other way that they die, I will never grieve for that. In fact, I will rejoice over that.
Make a clip out of that and put that in the news.
The “reprobate doctrine” which is that sodomites cannot be saved. https://newifb.info/index.php/2018/09/16/bruce-mejia-preaches-that-sodomites-cannot-be-saved/

I should note that I relied on other KJV Only ministries that also counter Anderson's twisted reprobate doctrine.

Refuting the Unbiblical Reprobate Doctrine
(Be forewarned this guy actually does “reluctantly” support Anderson, just not his version of the reprobate doctrine https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Truths/why_promote_pastor_steven_anderson.htm

The False “Reprobate” Doctrine
http://www.newcovenantbaptist.org/the-false-reprobate-doctrine/ (There is a video associated that's actually kinda interesting)

The influence of Jack Hyles,,,
The Reprobate Doctrine crowd rally behind a sermon clip by Dr. Jack Hyles, which Pastor Steven Anderson has titled, “Jack Hyles Explains Reprobate Doctrine.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtAzR-OGTT8&feature=youtu.be In the sermon clip Hyles simply teaches that there is a line which an unsaved person can cross, beyond which they cannot be saved.

Adam Fannin at this point, although it really doesn't quite fit. Fannin is important for two reasons. 1] He also heavily preached the Reprobate Doctrine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRe8wu9hlB4 among other vile things; 2] he now calls NIFBC a cult. (Pastor Steven Anderson's THE NEW IFB MAFIA is a Cannibalistic Cult - Adam Fannin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDDEeeKoxgE)

According to NewIFB.info http://newifb.info/index.php/2019/06/15/adam-fannins-exit-from-the-new-ifb/

The accusation of cult is surprising as it appears he still endorses the same flawed teachings. https://newifb.info/index.php/2019/06/15/warning-law-of-liberty-baptist-church-in-jacksonville-fl-teaches-false-new-ifb-teaching/

Which brings us to the fallout from the booting Donnie Romero over bad behavior https://www.star-telegram.com/living/religion/article223928990.html

At one point, Romero was a disciple of Anderson's. Commissioned and sent out from Anderson’s Faithful Word Baptist Church to plant a church in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. http://stevenandersonfamily.blogspot.com/2014/08/church-growth.html (Anderson's wife Zsuzsanna' blog) BUT recently he had a massive fall from grace. https://brucegerencser.net/2019/01/ifb-preacher-donnie-romero-caught-cavorting-with-prostitutes-smoking-weed-and-gambling/

His claim to fame is a 2014 sermon where he preached the message that all gays should “be put to death.” http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/texas-pastor-dirty-faggots-want-to-snatch-and-rape-your-kids/
"I'm going to explain to you why God wants these people to be put to death. … The word of God is very clear that God is against the sodomites, that they're filthy and it says they're an abomination to God. … I love that part of the Bible, and I'm going to preach that part of the Bible until the day I die, and if I ever stop preaching that part of the Bible, I hope my kids tell me, 'Dad, you're going soft on sin, you need to get up there and rip on these queers, because it's only getting worse and worse.' 
"And amen to what Pastor Anderson said — I'm not going to let any of these dirty faggots inside of my church. They are all pedophiles. … They're always trying to rape and hurt other people. They're relentless. They are relentless. They are predators and given an opportunity to snatch one of your children, they would do it in a heartbeat." http://www.towleroad.com/2014/12/arizona-pastors-texas-disciple-says-gays-are-filthy-faggots-who-want-to-snatch-and-rape-children/

Jonathan Shelley heads the Stedfast Baptist Church http://stedfastbaptistkjv.org/ in Fort Worth TX 76114. Besides the debacle above concerning Romero, Shelley is known as the man who wants to stone unruly kids among https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIns-wVlrw4

… [Kids are] going to continue being more rebellious, more mocking, more arrogant, more prideful. You see, it’s never enough. They just want to keep mocking their parents and disobeying their parents. You’ve got to squash out the rebellion in your child.
You know you could squash rebellion in a public school today? Take the rebellious one out and stone him. I bet they’d shapen up pretty quick. I bet they’d figure out, “Maybe I should hearken under the authorities in my life.” And we see, unfortunately, our society is continually destroying itself, because [all of these] rebellious, arrogant, prideful teenage jerks that just don’t want to hearken to their parents, you know, and God said they should be put to death.

The guy that’s the lazy gamer, “I don’t want to get a job. I just want to play video games all day and drink alcohol with my buddies,” that guy should be put to death.

You know what? As a young man, you should be able to work! And you should work hard! And you should be sober! And the man that’s not going to do that, God says, “Well, I think you’re worthy of death.” That’s pretty serious.

Now obviously, in this society we live in today, this would never happen, right? America, this isn’t happening. You can’t take your child up to the government and say, “Look, this guy won’t listen to us, hearken to us.”

But here’s the thing. When man fails to execute God’s judgment, do you think God’s just gonna let that go? God will repay. When man fails to put someone to death, God will take care of it. And if you’re a stubborn and rebellious child, you better be careful every single step you take… https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/01/22/baptist-preacher-rebellious-kids-in-public-schools-should-be-stoned-to-death/


Shelley preached against the LGBTQ community in an October 2018 sermon.

They hate God. God has already given them up,” he says in the video. “That’s the reason they’re doing these vile, disgusting things. They’re beasts, they’re wicked, they’re abominable, they’re filthy today.”

David Berzins appeared to be a rising star within the movement. Originally planting a church (Word of Truth Baptist Church http://wordoftruthbaptist.org/) in Prescott Valley, Arizona. According to NewIFB.info from 2018, https://newifb.info/index.php/2018/07/10/david-berzins-abandons-unsuccessful-new-ifb-church-plant-and-tries-again/ Anderson is listed or was listed as the pastor (web site is not UTD nor does it seem active). Berzins now leads a church http://strongholdbaptist.church/ in Norcross, GA.; Strong Hold Baptist Church. http://newifb.info/index.php/2018/07/06/warning-strong-hold-baptist-church-in-norcross-ga-preaches-false-new-ifb-teaching/


At this point in time I have no information confirming or denying an ongoing relationship with the NIFBC or Anderson. The closest confirmation is this piece coming out of WSB-TV2 in Atlanta, https://www.wsbtv.com/news/2-investigates/metro-atlanta-church-may-soon-be-listed-on-national-list-of-hate-groups/911741190


Berzins moved to Atlanta last summer. He comes from Arizona, where he was ordained at the Word of Truth Baptist Church. If that church sounds familiar, it’s because the pastor there made national news in 2009 when he said he prayed for President Barack Obama’s death. The reason: Obama is pro-choice.

Both pastors call themselves New Independent Fundamental Baptists. The group’s website lists 21 churches in the United States. Berzins says they are not a denomination, but a group of like-minded churches. 


But Berzins' whopper besides the mimickery of Anderson was his defense of Anderson when a fellow pastor requested that his website be removed from Anderson‘s church directory.


As Hemant noted over at Friendly Atheist. “Berzins went on a rant about how that guy did the whole Christian world a disservice with his request. Because, really, what’s the big deal about stoning homosexuals?” https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2015/04/15/christian-pastor-condemns-colleague-for-not-wanting-gay-people-put-to-death/
I like the guy [who wanted to be removed from the directory]. He’s a Christian, he’s saved, he does soul-winning, he believes in a King James Bible, it’s a Baptist church. Independent Fundamental Baptist church.
He believes homosexuality is wickedness, and he preaches against it.
But just because they don’t believe that [homosexuals] should be stoned, which — I think it’s very clear… Look, God came up with the laws of the Old Testament! They’re breathed by the Lord. And if you think that you know better on how to run a country than God has ordained, you think your laws are better…
When you choose to be disassociated and break fellowship with a fellow Christian or a fellow church over something like that, you are just giving the enemy that much more ground and you’re letting them win… Now look, if you think they shouldn’t be put to death, fine. If you don’t think that should be the government’s role, but you believe the Bible and you’re against homosexuality, this is not a cause to break fellowship over… Don’t break fellowship with someone who simply believes that Leviticus 20:13 should be in application in our government today.
Now, you’re gonna break fellowship over fellow Christians over this issue because you’re too scared! Because you’re scared about retaliation from these perverts! Don’t be scared! They’ve vile and wicked and you need to be standing up and standing together…
Next we have Aaron Thompson, of Verity Baptist Church in Vancouver, Washington. https://veritybaptistvancouver.com/index.html And yes he is clone of all the rest. VBC is a satellite ministry of Verity Baptist Church in Sacramento, CA under the leadership of Pastor Roger Jimenez (up next).

His claim to fame and why he is on my radar, he preaches biblical reason not to get vaxxed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7QwV1kajc8 Yes these cretins are anti-vaxx among other things. (More on that later.)

I may do a comparison to Kent Hovind, https://interestinghmm.blogspot.com/2016/04/show-notesjust-no.html (3-parts)

Roger Jimenez, also of Verity Baptist Church https://veritybaptist.com/ but in Sacramento, CA . Like all the rest he is a clone of Anderson, which is bizarre as he has family (by marriage) who is a member of the LGBTQI+ community. https://fox40.com/2016/06/18/family-of-varity-baptist-church-pastor-ashamed-of-his-anti-lgbt-comments/

His assholery by now is or should be well known. Within days of the Pulse shooting, he stated in a sermon https://heavy.com/news/2016/06/pastor-roger-jimenez-praises-orlando-massacre-youtube-video-mass-shooting-gay-isis-omar-mateen/

Are you sad that 50 pedophiles were killed today?” asked Jimenez. “Um no. I think that’s great. I think that helps society. I think Orlando, Florida, is a little safer tonight. The tragedy is that more of them didn’t die. The tragedy is I’m kind of upset he didn’t finish the job – because these people are predators. They are abusers.

He doubled down on that statement during his speech during MASA.
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/06/15/here-are-the-lowlights-from-day-1-of-the-anti-lgbtq-christian-hate-conference/ and as Heavy notes,

Jimenez defended his sermon to ABC 10, https://www.abc10.com/article/news/local/sacramento/sacramento-baptist-pastor-praises-orlando-massacre/243211965 and said he had no regrets. “My whole point was, if people die who deserved to die, we don’t need to be mourning them. This gunman that went in there and shot those people up, the Bible says he deserves to die, and we shouldn’t be mourning his death either.”

Patrick Boyle of Revival Baptist Church in Orlando; the host church https://www.revivalbaptistorlando.com/ I don't have much on this guy other than he insists he’s just echoing the Bible when he says gay people “are worthy of death.”

His church’s PayPal account was taken down after atheist activists reported it. https://twitter.com/ge_kaitlyn/status/1137424608620163072

Grayson Fritts of All Scripture Baptist Church https://allscripturebaptist.com/ Knoxville, TN .
https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/local/2019/06/13/knox-county-detective-calls-lgbtq-executions-what-we-know/1440547001/ My personal information is a bit sketchy and outdated as I, literally while scripting, discovered he is NIFBC and allegedly has preached at Anderson's church.

Andrew Seidel's blurp from the FFRF, “FFRF Director of Strategic Andrew Seidel discusses how FFRF is calling on the Knox County Sheriff's Department to probe Deputy Grayson Fritts’ wrathful demand for the government to execute LGBTQ citizens. Fritts called for state violence against LGBTQ citizens he called “sodomites” and “queers,” even likening them to “animals.”

No information or very little,,,

Rocky Randall Iola Baptist Temple https://www.iolabaptisttemple.com/ Iola, KS

Manly Perry Old Path Baptist Church http://www.oldpathtxb.church/ Adkins, TX


Joe Major of Faith Baptist Church in LA gave a guest sermon at the Philippines church of Logan Robertson. In a sermon titled “Make The World Straight Again,” Major told the raucous crowd about how all homosexuals were inherently pedophiles and that’s why they deserved to be executed. https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/06/18/christian-hate-preacher-gay-people-are-selfish-pedophiles-who-must-be-killed/



I want to share some of their comments here only because people need to know what sort of bigotry is being justified in the name of Christ. You can’t push back against it unless you know what they’re saying.” https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/06/15/here-are-the-lowlights-from-day-1-of-the-anti-lgbtq-christian-hate-conference/

Some others in the movement that are prevalent on YouTube

Ben the Baptist https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpSSfgoF2AVKB8q4Qoq-aDw

Matt Powell https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUFgmArK_ljP52HJLBmMoQg

If you remember, Matt Powell is the pencil-neck, 22ish y/o nuckfutz
that has said things like atheists were Coke-drinking video game addicts and scientists were hiding the truth about the Sun and moon. As Hemant notes, he sat for an interview with Skylar Fiction, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MWJ_BgzaWY when shit really hit the fan when he said to Skylar that the government should execute gay people. https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2018/07/04/youtube-punishes-atheist-for-exposing-christian-who-wants-gay-people-executed/


as far as homosexuality goes, you know, I believe the Bible puts the death penalty on it. I believe it’s disgusting. And incidentally, every scientific test has come back and said that homosexuals are 50 more times likely to get AIDS… we got this AIDS thing spreading… it’s a fact that this is the case.


Skylars interview was taken down by YT and a debacle commenced. So of course I had to get Skylar and we did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgDdeIJncmk&t=48s (Episode 159 interview with Skylar Fiction)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uZQaTqezgo (Suris does a wonderful take down of Powell)

Standing For Truth

Framing The World (Paul Wittenburger)

Jonathan Kragen

If I had a button on the pulpit that I could push and every homosexual would fall over dead, I would push it till I break my finger.”

During the build-up to the MASA rally, Mike Winger https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7u2HaYBKDaLPcWmldxgGEA of Bible Thinker https://biblethinker.org/index.php/about-mike, posted the following video Steven Anderson vs The Biblical Gospel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUkn0Fl86sE

Enter Prophet of ZOD who has a good take as well concerning Winger's reaction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3aPHS_6Gro (highly recommend!!)

Tangentially related I Asked a Pastor the Same Question that Made his Daughter an Atheist! (Matt Slick vs David Smalley) https://holykoolaid.com/is-god-a-moral-monster/

As Anderson is fond of saying, if you dont agree, leave.


I would add,

4] Part of their unofficial doctrine Conspiracy Theories https://www.thenewifb.com/documentaries
  • 9/11 Conspiracies
  • Anti-Vaccination
  • Chemtrails
  • Water Fluoridation

What they believe (the same or similar can be found at each associated church website http://nifbcult.com/nifb-churches/, this from Verity in CA)

Founded and controlled by Anderson, the ‘New” IFB church movement believes that the “old” IFB church movement has moved away from its core beliefs and practices. While this is true is some instances, there is very little difference between the churches of these groups. Both groups are cultic; both are Evangelical in doctrine; both are conservative politically; both practice personal separation (from the world) and many of the churches practice secondary separation (refusing to fellowship with churches/pastors who have connections with compromising churches/pastors/colleges); both are evangelistic; both believe the Bible is inerrant (and many use only the King James Bible); both believe they alone are True Christians®. One thing is for certain, Steven Anderson is the de facto pope of the “New” IFB church movement.” https://brucegerencser.net/2019/01/steven-andersons-new-ifb-movement-erupts-into-a-food-fight-over-donnie-romero/


Here's what the NIFBC states, https://www.thenewifb.com/what-is-the-new-ifb


The New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement is a title used to identify churches and believers from around the world who take the word of God seriously. The movement is a revival of what the old IFB once represented. The movement is a new generation going back to the old paths. Each church that is associated with the movement is independent and each Pastor submits himself to the word of God and the Lord Jesus Christ. The movement is not a denomination. Each Pastor may see things somewhat differently than the other Pastors, resulting in differing beliefs on various minor issues. However, all of the churches in the movement are united on the following important doctrines: *FAITH ALONE FOR SALVATION *ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED *KING JAMES BIBLE ONLY *TRINITY *SOUL-WINNING *HARD PREACHING *ANTI-WORLDLINESS *ANTI-CALVINISM *ANTI-DISPENSATIONAL *ANTI-ZIONISM *POST-TRIB PRE-WRATH RAPTURE

Is NIFBC a cult?
As I use a different model, I have relied on Telltale's,
Steven Anderson - Is He A Cult Leader? (2019) (BITE Model Breakdown) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCpohuR74RA. Simply put, https://freedomofmind.com/bite-model/

Generate and use propaganda extensively - https://www.thenewifb.com/documentaries as well as YT personalities like Matt Powell
Shun you if you disobey or disbelieve – they do shun and they will kick you out; public shaming https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckUS9DkZ0c0

Content Creators



Note:: the Kragen Clan are ex-NIFBC








I do have one special thank you, and that is to Suris https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh-YXgnF0tmBxCsh4w_4svw for allowing me to use the clip in its entirety. It is 4 minutes, but so very worthy of play.

https://twitter.com/Surisskeptic

Please watch till the end,,,
We Deserve to Live (A Response to the NIFB)

Friday, January 11, 2019

IFB Preacher Donnie Romero Caught Cavorting With Prostitutes, Smoking Weed, and Gambling | The Life and Times of Bruce Gerencser

Gerencser sums it up well,
Donnie Romero is the pastor of Stedfast Baptist Church, Fort Worth, Texas. Romero is the bosom buddy of Steven Anderson, pastor of Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona. Yesterday, Anderson released a video detailing Romero’s resignation from Stedfast Baptist. According to Pope Anderson, Romero was cavorting with prostitutes, smoking weed, and gambling.  What’s next? Romero secretly used the NIV to study for his sermons? The good news is that according to Anderson’s and Romero’s soteriology, the fallen pastor is still saved. There’s nothing Romero can do to ever lose his salvation. Once saved, always saved, baby, even if Romero brings shame to his family or infects his wife with a STD.

Anderson must be livid over Romero exposing that his little club of IFB churches is just like the rest of the bunch; that for all their talk about soulwinning, homosexuality, and any human behavior they deem sinful, these “men of God” are no different from the unwashed, uncircumcised Philistines of the world.
IFB Preacher Donnie Romero Caught Cavorting With Prostitutes, Smoking Weed, and Gambling | The Life and Times of Bruce Gerencser

Things are getting rather twisted, Steven Anderson Embroiled in Fight Over Stedfast Baptist Church Jacksonville:
It seems that there is a great deal of infighting right now in Donnie Romero’s church spin off, Stedfast Church in Jacksonville, Florida. Steven Anderson, head of their hate-cult ‘The New IFB”, is fighting with Adam Fannin, the pastor of Stedfast Baptist of Jacksonville.

Romero was the head pastor of the church, and that of Stedfast in Texas. There’s a ‘Pastor Shelley’ involved in the mess. It smells like a nasty church split from here. Turns out that Pastor Shelley is anti-vaxxer and anti-medicine and will be taking over Stedfast Baptist in Fort Worth very shortly.

Fannin is claiming that there is a great deal about Romero that has not be exposed. Would not be surprised at all. Fannin is claiming that the decisions being made by Anderson that are ‘creating jerks in the movement.’ In other words they are starting to fight over who exactly is in charge. Plus there are all sorts of accusations over money. Fannin is saying that Steven Anderson has his hands in the church cookie jar, has been taking and using their money for God himself only knows what. That’s all I know