UPDATED::Show Notes::They are kind related (Pt 5)

Please be advised there is developing news concerning Rivera; will update when more is known!!

A bit of a side note before we begin. One question I have been asked is, "why I don't concentrate on the (NOT) science of MMS and what is presented by Humble and Rivera?"

My answer is twofold,,,

One, although I love science and feel the science behind this shit is crank of the worse kind. Delving into the "chemistry" of it all is very long and tedious (for lack of a better). In other words, what Humble and Rivera state is so twisted, if not out right lies, it would take the patience of Job to unravel. I have picked at some but it's a 10x1 ratio; for every 1 page of garbage, it takes 10 pages to refute. Also, those much better than I have tackled this issue. I refuse to make my shit sound all sciencey just for the sake of word sounds. I am a lowly dishwasher with no college degree, I am going to speak the language I actually understand, NOT make shit up!!

Two, I am going to steal a page from Orac, "There is no currently known valid medical reason to give this chemical to anyone to treat anything. None of this is (or should be) in serious dispute from a strictly scientific, medical, or ethical standpoint."

To me that says it all!!

Humble and his minions whine and "complain" that there are no trials being done; that this drug isn't being studied or that autism isn't being studied. In order for a trial, besides the legal and ethical considerations, there has to be evidence of some benefit to the proposed treatment. As Orac notes there is none; there isn't even an inkling beyond its use as a biocide.

In that light, I am more interested in the mental or emotional aspect,,, why are people so deluded into shoving MMS up their kids ass.  I'm not talking fence sitters who are honestly "searching" in desperation for information and answers, I'm talking your "lalala finger in the ear" types, who are presented evidence that this shit harms the children they claim to love, but yet still do MMS ignoring the evidence.

To reinforce Orac's assertion Dr. Eric Fombonne, a prominent autism expert, is cited in a 2009 Chicago Trib article surrounding DAN! and the vaccine court, "There is no evidence for (the treatments') efficacy, no evidence for the reason for them to work. There (are) no published studies which would suggest that (they) would change the course of autism." 

So last time we took a brief gander at Kerri Rivera, today we all going to delve a bit more into this sadist with no medical background. We are gonna take a look at this "mom" who knows better than all the doctors and autism researchers.

Letting a quack like Kerri Rivera give a talk about feeding autistic children bleach and giving them bleach enemas until they get a fever, all in an attempt to cure their autism, blows past that line at Indy racer-like speeds and continues on for the proverbial 500 laps past it. From my perspective, if anything, we skeptics went a little too easy on Ms. Rivera, but our commenters didn’t. They called this “treatment” what it really is: Child abuse. Even if the bleach in the solutions poured into these children’s anuses were nothing more than water or saline, it would still be child abuse because it’s a useless therapy that involves doing something that is likely to cause extreme distress to any child. Autistic children, however, given their frequent sensory issues, are far more likely to find such a treatment to be painful or disturbing in the extreme while many of them would be less likely to be cooperative for it. But, as we know, it’s worse than that, given that Rivera advocates upping the doses until children start having fevers, exulting about how she loves fever therapy.

When I first took an interest in this MMS shit, I was "lucky" enough to find not only Jim Humble's book but Kerri Rivera's as well. As neither cost me anything (legally obtained BTW) I was like WTH, at least the apologists can't say I didn't read em.  Needless to say the $0 I spent could have been used for better things. The time reading their drek I will never get back.

BUT, in all honesty, the only way to combat this shit is to jump right in,,, I did!! 

Science Mom wrote this, in 2012 regarding a petition against MMS:

This needs to go farther in my not-so-humble opinion. MMS, chemical castration, stem cell injections, chelation, faecal "transplants" and the myriad of "cures" that autistic children are subjected to at the hands of their parents would not be tolerated if perpetrated against neurotypical children. Imagine the outrage if something like these "treatments" were featured at a paediatric conference. The treatment of autistic children as objects of gruesome experimentation has to stop. Public perceptions with regards to tolerance of this abuse need to change. Or, it needs to be brought to their attention. Merely banning an MMS peddler from AutismOne's roster is not enough and won't improve the quality of life of this segment of autistic children by much. That said, I appreciate what you are all doing here.

Although I do not have the visibility of many fine bloggers on the front lines, hopefully I can do my part by bitching to you all. The mind-set that is impetus for me,

See, this is exactly the theme you were obviously setting up:  those who take the position well founded in Science are not open minded (they consider others “whack jobs” and have opinions “set in stone”); but somehow taking a position not supported by science is not only” open minded”, for some,,,it is even equated with being open minded.

For shits and giggles, see also::  'Skeptics' article stirs up condemnation from skeptics, praise from holistic thinkers and Science bloggers, 'skeptics' exposed as group of online terrorists whose weapons include intimidation, censorship and threats

This is the type of mind think these jack-wads expect us to have, a belief not based in science but some pseudo-scientific woo, "Because plant-based medicine works through the synergistic effects of thousands of phytonutrients working together."  WTF?  I'll take my Invokana and Metformin; I'll take my Metoprolol, thank you very much!!

Think this denialism isn't a cult,

Greg, May 2, 2013
They consider themselves scientists but nothing could be farther from the truth. Why solely dwell on the scientific process when you also need integrity, humility and passion for truth to deliver the goods? Who would argue that Einstein was not the greatest scientist of all? Einstein single-handedly gave us the phenomenal, revolutionary ‘theory of relatively’ without the aid of one single scientific study. He did this solely through his thought experiments. He was successful because he was the ultimate embodiment of the scientific spirit — integrity, humility and passion for truth. You only need to look at the man and you can see these things. Contrast Einstein’s scientific spirit with theirs. We have an autism epidemic that is obliterating generations of children and what solutions do they have to offer? Where are their passion and motivation to provide answers to the suffering children and their families? Instead, all we hear are lame excuses; ‘we don”t know if there is really an epidemic…we can’t do an unvaxed/vaxed study because it’s too difficult…stop asking us to investigate vaccine components because that’s shifting the goalposts…and so on and so on’. What happened to their scientific ideals of seeking truth to the betterment of mankind? Poor, pathetic, sad sacks they all are. How low they have sunk. Despicable pharma shills, they do not hesitate to prostitute themselves for mere selfish gains. They are the ultimate sell-outs. Not only did they sell-out our kids but they also sold out their own profession. History will forever judge them as the most odious excuses for scientists.

We have all faced this in debating theists in some form or another.  We have faced it when debating those that embrace the paranormal.  That's what drives me, besides the abuse of children, it is being told I am not open-minded. Science does not choose sides, it either supports a contention or it does not,,,I err on the side of science.

The book
What makes Rivera so dangerous is her book. Her lectures are just as bad, but the audience is limited, at least directly at the venue; although the internet has changed that paradigm. What strikes me, her son Patrick, is nothing more than a guinea pig in a desperate struggle to rid him of this horrible demon(s).

According to (former ?) minion Adam Abraham:

Rivera is the mother of an autistic child, a growing boy who, in his second year of life, was healthy one day, and after receiving a required, “routine” inoculation, suddenly went away. His body is there, but his spirit, his proclivity toward normal human interaction, is not. He is distant in a way that saddens a mother’s heart.

UPDATE 6/1/2016::  When I put this piece together I could not find the blog-posting that "confirmed" my assertion of "former".  Here it is from the horses mouth; pay attention to what his new "miracle cure" is now:  Dawn of a ‘Peece’ Movement,  FEBRUARY 6, 2013.

Let it be known on this day, of my official withdrawal from the “Miracle Mineral Supplement/Solution” a.k.a. “MMS” conversation.

While I am grateful for what I have learned and the many amazing people I’ve met on this journey, in good conscience, I can no longer continue to address various ways to use the product when a more compelling solution—one that is unquestionably natural, benign, and not subject to the issues or laws of interstate or international commerce, or capricious, jingoistic “approvals” of “Man,”—presents itself, though it may initially be met with even greater skepticism, prejudicial distaste, or disbelief than MMS.

Nonetheless, that compelling solution is one’s own urine. You could say that it is from Earth, Mother Nature, or God, and all statements would be true. The Intelligence needed to bring together all the components that are found in urine that make Life and health blossom again, is clearly beyond the most “advanced” conventional scientific knowledge. Why it works is not beyond our understanding. What’s hard to understand is why we continue to believe our present methods might work, when the results they produce have been, and are so abysmal. Also hard to fathom is why the Powers that Were thought we’d never figure this out. Perhaps they planned another false flag event or two to keep us arguing at each other about guns.

Scientific evidence shows that urine is a proven, natural remedy of superior efficacy to anything that is produced outside the body, and is perfect for what ails you at the moment of intake. It is everything that little minds in big laboratories and ivory towers would love to create, protect, and control access to, while selling a little bit at a time back to you at very high prices.

Yes folks, he wants you to fucking drink your own pee!!

As described, these are the sub-human children mentioned in part 3.  The soulless children stolen away by vaccines only to be recovered by purging the toxins away.   As I mentioned, this is the shit that Jenny McCarthy spouts.

"Autism, as I see it, steals the soul from a child; then, if allowed, relentlessly sucks life's marrow out of the family members, one by one. It relegates every other "normal" think to utter insignificance." (p xvi)

That was in her 2008 book, Louder Than Words, penned by  Dr. Jerry Kartzinel who wrote the introductory material.  This is the same mind set of Rivera; Rivera's book further opens that doorway to multitudes.  While I have read it, due to other postings I have never written a review.  It is just that bad from a scientific POV but yet trusted by many.  Ban CD MMS has a decent review if you are so inclined, here is but one example.
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See also: Healing the Symptoms Known as Autism, an Objective Critique Part 1: Setting the Scene, Healing the Symptoms Known as Autism, an Objective Critique: Part 2, Healing the Symptoms Known as Autism, an Objective Critique: Part 3, Healing the Symptoms Known as Autism, an Objective Critique. Part 4: Chlorine Dioxide, Debunking Rivera: The Blood Brain Barrier

The people who sell these products prey on parents who are desperate to help their child. Because of the stigma surrounding autism, and the narrative which promotes autistic people as lacking potential which I talk about in this video), some parents see autism as so terrible that they would risk killing their child, making them sick, or giving them a disease like polio or whooping cough rather than have their child be autistic. As an autistic person, this is deeply troubling to me. The lack of education when it comes to autism, the lack of respect for autistic people, the lack of awareness, the negative views, all of these things contribute to the point of view which says that risking someone’s health and wellness for the small chance of getting rid of their autism is worthwhile.

There’s a common stereotype that autistic people are lacking in empathy. This is a misconception built on confusion between cognitive and emotional empathy. (a subject I explore in this video) It seems sadly ironic that non-autistic people levy these claims, when autistic people aren’t the ones giving children toxic “treatments” which are clearly harmful. It’s obvious just how desperate these parents are when they convince themselves that vomiting, fever, and diarrhea are normal and even desired outcomes of this “treatment”. There has been at least one case of M.M.S. sellers being prosecuted for their actions, hopefully with more coming.

See also: Science Mom lays it bare.
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I like, many others find this chapter (chpt 9) ironic, not only does she condemn supplements in her book she states in her AO2014 appearance,,,

So we should take that she is against supplements, they are a no-no BUT,,,

Ban CD MMS notes,

Yet in her book "after recommending the CD protocol which will deplete your child of essential vitamins and minerals, they now advise you to give your child all sorts of vitamin and mineral supplements. It is a little like recommending that people burn themselves without reason, and then advising them to use a burn cream."

In the same vane, another example, although not mentioned by Ban CD MMS, ingestion of vitamin C and antioxidants,

It’s important to carefully review your child’s supplements. In order to maximize the benefits from this protocol consider removing any antioxidants, (they kill CD—more on that in Chapter 5, page 88), calcium, magnesium (which feeds the biofilm), as well as iron and B12 (which are favorite foods of parasites). p9

Jump to page 88 we read,

Although antioxidants have their place in personal health and are common in many foods and supplements, they cannot be taken at the same time with chlorine dioxide—they negate each other. This is why vitamin C, juices, and other antioxidant containing foods are prohibited in The Diet. p88

So which is it, banned altogether, or don't take when consuming CD?  I hate contradictions.

I have in the past mentioned the problem with this suggestion, and it boils down to one thing,

CD is a chemical oxidizer - a free radical - which intensifies the depletion of vitamin C and causes oxidative stress.  So in Rivera’s effort to “heal the symptoms known as autism,” she is causing more harm by damaging one of the foundations of our immune system.

Remember the candle analogy?  What antioxidants like vitamin C do is provide electrons for the oxidizer. They, in effect, sacrifice themselves to be the candle that is burned, instead of other important compounds in your body.  The buildup of free radicals over time is largely responsible for the aging process.  Free radicals may play a role in cancer, heart disease, and conditions like arthritis.” This should be a red flag that MMS is a toxic chemical and should be avoided.

Keep in mind Rivera also states on page 133 to avoid carrot juice as it "feeds" the pathogen.  Yet on page 234 we read this:

Carrots
Carrots are another effective home remedy for eliminating intestinal parasites in children. The chemical constituents of carrots attack pests by preventing their development. It is one of the most effective natural treatments for children, when given a small cup of grated carrots each morning until the problem desists.

So which is it?  Are carrots good or bad?  The sugars she so wants to avoid in juice is still present in the whole vegetable. 

I am going to highlight one more quick example of bad science and call it a day.

If you remember, in the past I have noted Emily Willingham's "experiment" that shows that MMS is bleach. In the same vane, Matt Carey of LBRB has "taken" that idea one step further.

I thought about taking this to the next step–putting some drops on raw meat to see how much tissue would be bleached. Then I thought, I wonder if there’s a study on this already?

What makes Matt's inquiry interesting as well as eye opening, there is a study, actually a couple of studies, to support his claims.  Something he notes in his subsequent posting, the study -  Comparison of Organic Tissue Dissolution Capacities of Sodium Hypochlorite and Chlorine Dioxide.

According to Matt, the first study looked at how well these solutions dissolve tissue.  Results and conclusion,

No statistically significant difference was found between the tissue-dissolving properties of 5.25% NaOCl and those of 13.8%ClO2 (P > .05). Saline did not dissolve the organic tissue. (p2)
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Within the limitations of this in vitro study, it was concluded that [13.8%] ClO2 [solution] is efficient as well as NaOCl in dissolving organic tissue. (p3)

Foreseeing issues from the MMS apologists, Matt found another study - Effect of chlorine dioxide and sodium hypochlorite on the dissolution of human pulp tissue An in vitro study. Which concludes, “,,,5% Chlorine dioxide is capable of dissolving human pulp tissue but sodium hypochlorite was more effective.” (p358)

Remember, the Humble/Rivera solution is 28% CLO2!!

Whether one wants to argue semantics or hyperbole, CLO2 is a bleach.  What it is not is a household bleach like Chlorox (TM).  CLO2 is an industrial bleach used in various industrial capacities as well as a biocide. While "dose does make the poison" keep in mind that the FDA limit is 0.8 mg/l.  That is what is allowed by law in our everyday drinking water.  That is what science has deemed safe to ingest. If you do the math, "Humble is recommending about 60 times the FDA limit, and that this is to be taken every hour for 10 hours." [35]  Kerri Rivera goes to even further extremes in her "72-2 protocol".

As I said, I don't give a rat ass what an adult does to their own body, I do care that this is being forced upon the vulnerable.  Especially autistic children.  This is not "like" chemo where the treatment has a known efficacy in fighting the disease.  "It is promoted as a method to rid the body of parasites, with no testing before or after to demonstrate the need nor the efficacy of this parasite based approach. The bleach is given until kids are demonstrably sickened by it–the vomit or have other symptoms." Autism is not a disease that needs to be killed.

The apologists for this poison, also in conversation, delve into the whole acid/alkaline theory of disease which makes "talking science" around MMS even more convoluted.  Something I may explore as I have touched on the implications in dieting.

So much for avoiding the science, as you can see it can become very bulky, very quickly,,, But Rivera's book as well as Humble's is full of this shit.

If there was some actual science in with all the anecdotes, it would be bearable.  Regretfully the anecdotes offer no supporting data to the cause.  The parents are seeing what they are meant to see, what they are brainwashed to believe. 

Like most religionists Rivera take advantage of the most vulnerable.  While Rivera seems to have toned down the religious aspect, it is still there.  Remember she is a Bishop in Humble's church and like most frauds is hiding out in a foreign country to avoid discipline.

And this JUST in,,,

As of 8AM 5/28/2016

https://www.facebook.com/Emma-Dalmayne-Fiona-Oleary-Autistic-Defense-Unpaid-1443132422680713/?fref=ts

This is developing,,,till next time!!
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Show Notes::They're kinda related (Pt 4)

There was no show this week but putting this out there anyways as part 5 is half way done.   Please note that my speech was being a butt hole so the audio is not as "good" as I would like.  The extended audio mentioned is included.

Let's recap a bit to understand where I am going with all this, as it is not your standard AV diatribe.

1] Kent Hovind and Mary Tocco catch my eye (with a little help); standard AV bullshit.  We learn about the Cutter Incident surrounding the polio vaccine.

2] Hovind and Tocco are both religious nutz which got me to thinking about SOCAS.

3] A stink was raised with the documentary Vaxxed being included then pulled by Tribeca. (Another AV celebrity comes to the fore in Robert Dinero.)

4]  Andrew Wakefield, the writer of said documentary,  cries persecution and censorship.  Although not religious in nature, it is related to the First Amendment.  That issue reminds me of G2C and MMS.

Last week I briefly (uhm,,, well sorta briefly) introduced Jim Humble, the creator of both MMS and G2C.  I hope in that time I was able to show that his intentions were not so humanitarian as he likes to make them out to be.

This week we are going to take a look at homeopath and one of the infamous bishops of Jim Humble’s church, Kerri Rivera.  Author of the book Healing the Symptoms Known as Autism, which touts dosing your child orally with this bleaching agent and anally as well, to "recover" your child from autism.  And if you remember some of the horror stories from last week, this is just ludicrous.

What do we know of Kerri Rivera?
What we do know of Rivera, comes from self reporting or what is stated by others; she has not denied such attributions.  Following is an example of the drek she was taught (as noted by David Gorski and many other science writers). [Currently this link is dead.  As it is a newsletter, I am searching for alternative URL.]

When people leave here they really know how to use MMS for all things, skin diseases of all kinds, colon problems, how to regenerate the liver, how to treat brain cancers, how to treat babies and pregnant women, and how to treat animals from mice to elephants. You will be personally taking MMS while here, spraying your skin with powerful solutions of MMS (but won’t hurt you), spraying others’ skin and hair. You will learn to use sprays, baths, IV solutions, MMS gas, soak the feet, and most importantly, the new protocols that in the country of Malawi have cured more than 800 people of HIV plus 40 cancer cases, 50 of feet and leg numbness, 3 heart disease cases, 13 diabetes cases, and many other diseases and problems.

Sounds very much like the 2010 newsletter mentioned last week.

That is what she was taught, it is what she is teaching others, through her book and lectures, that is scary.  In an polished, Project Camelot, interview from 2015 she talks of how autism was not initially on Humble's radar for MMS use, so this is all her.  Which is why my focus is on her and, as we shall see, co-hort Andreas Kalcker.

One point to note, as I suspected, Rivera has been distancing herself from Humble.

In an interview with NBC Chicago, Rivera distanced herself from Humble and said her only interest was in helping children.

As to some of what she teaches people,

"Autism is treatable, it's avoidable, and I believe that it's curable," she said. "As the symptoms go away, the diagnosis fades as well."
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"If it were so toxic, people would be dropping like flies, and there are no deaths related to chlorine dioxide," Rivera said.

Although my focus has been the ingesting and enemas advocated by Rivera et al, another form of torture justified by Rivera is “fever therapy”.

What caught my eye (and horrified me to think about it) was that Kerri Rivera was advocating the use of MMS enemas to treat autism. Yes, Kerri Rivera advocated subjecting autistic children to bleach enemas and has made videos touting this as a biomedical treatment for autism. As I noted back then, even worse (if that were possible), Rivera advocated “fever therapy” and characterized fevers after bleach enemas to be a good thing, a sign that the treatment is “working,” much as Jim Humble gives MMS to treat adults in increasing doses until they start to feel ill. (Personally, as a physician, I would be very concerned at a child becoming febrile after having ingested bleach or had it shot up his rectum. Not Kerri Rivera, apparently.) Indeed, Rivera even exults about how much she loves “fever therapy” and how it “wakes up the immune system.” In addition to the bleach enemas, she recommends a “72-2″ protocol that involves making children drink dilute bleach every two hours for 72 hours.

To us normies it suks, to a biomed mom, it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. 

,,,possibly it’s attractive because the child is more compliant, but I think more significant is the sense of accomplishing something. A treatment is administered, a change is observed, therefore it’s working! So they keep doing it, and soon they start seeking the change that shows its working rather than worrying about the end point. It could be a little pavlovian — sort of like clicker training a dog, you train them to associate the click with a treat and praise, and fairly quickly you don’t need to do the treat and praise because the click is all it takes to make the dog feel rewarded. Even though the dog didn’t get the thing they’d actually been wanting; they come to substitute the signal for the reward.

Combine that with the “warrior mommy” thing and it all becomes disturbingly attractive. They want to be Doing Something to help their child, because that is what warrior mommies do. Anything less is a sign of failure. So they really want to see signs of progress. This “treatment” doesn’t work, but it *does* produce symptoms that the unwary can be deluded into thinking are signs of progress. So rather than these side-effects discouraging them, it actually encourages them instead.

She already had a bio-med clinic (2006) when introduced to MMS, so her mind-set to accept the stuff was already there.  Not knowing her child's status other than "he was a mess" or what the family's trials or tribulation may have been concerning a autism diagnoses, I can only guess it was one of desperation.  In another words clinging to anything that gave hope of a "normal" child.  I can rightly understand that BUT by she discounts science and all that it offers. She discounts what I noted last week, that these children are unique in their own ways.  It is us who need to understand.

Further along in the interview Rivera tells a bit of history and how she justifies the torture her child.  Notice the Jenny McCarthy trope of "refrigerator mamma".

I have spoken on this issue before so I won’t rehash it too much.  Your child is not damaged or injured.  By force feeding a poison and shoving it up the ass, you are guilty of abuse.  Using Pavlovian conditioning to avoid behaviors you do not understand is barbaric.

While Gorski goes into much more detail, we do learn this concerning Rivera,  

,,, we learn that Kerri Rivera was trained as a DAN! (Defeat Autism Now!) practitioner (even though she is not a doctor) and charged by Bernie Rimland herself to translate DAN! protocols into Spanish and spread them throughout Latin America, like a preacher of woo. She’s also the director of a “clinic” even though she is apparently not a doctor or health care professional,,,

Although DAN! protocols and the subject of Bernie Rimland is beyond what I want to present, I may at some point dive into the subject.  I have a sneaky feeling that Rimland alone will be a deep rabbit hole.

As she states, she is "just a mom".  While she may be well read and "knows her child" her understanding of science as it relates to the use of MMS is pitiful. Like Humble, Rivera and her apologists blatantly ignore science that counters their wishful thinking (ie FDA warnings) or twist the science to fit their conclusions (ie the Lubber study or Natick).  Many of your MMS apologists do the same, they present these studies as evidence for its efficacy disregarding the protocols of said study.

Today was a brief overview of Rivera’s shit.  Honestly I could spend hours, not even delving into her flawed science.  The shit I have read confirms my belief that Rivera is a sadist; a sadist of the cruelest kind. 

The latter video is utterly appalling. There really is no better way to describe it. In it, Rivera describes how, as you up the dose, you’ll see the autistic child do more stimming, which makes me wonder whether it’s because the child is feeling ill, leading him to show more autistic behaviors. Rivera, apparently believing in MMS< thinks this increase in stimming behaviors is a good thing, indicating that the treatment is working. She also discusses how the autistic children subjected to this therapy will develop diarrhea, but that that's OK as long as it's "detox diarrhea",,, [External URL left off.]

From one of the many online bio-med forums,,,

My 14YO son has autism. I've been treating him with a parasite cleanse system for 1.5 years (5 days on, 2 days off). He's made some remarkable improvements, but every time I try to wean him off the cleanse, the parasite symptoms flare up. He is nonverbal and fairly low-functioning, so I don't get any feedback from him as to how he is feeling. Last week, I started him on 1 drop of Miracle-Mineral-Supplement then upped the dose to 1 drop, 2x a day this week. After about 4 days at 2 drops/day, he vomited once and had diarrhea all day. I am assuming it is the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . I decided to drop down to 1 drop/day again until he gets beyond this. He tends to have loose stools anyway, which I am guessing is related to this ongoing battle with the parasites. His gut tends to be very sensitive to anything I give him, so I have to go very carefully with anything new like the MMS. I am still giving him the other parasite cleanse (Systemic Formulas VRM 1-4). I would love to hear anyone's ideas or insight into this. I am working with a homeopath who has done extensive research into parasite cleanses, but she has not researched MMS. I'm looking to get my son beyond these parasites once and for all. My homeopath and her colleagues are autism experts and do consults with parents from around the world. They have found that the children with autism who are considered "tough nuts" tend to also be parasite kids. With their compromised immune systems, it is difficult to eradicate parasites.

Harsh maybe but in all likelihood honest.  Makes me wonder if the “rumor” is true.  Did her DH finally wise up?

Next time we'll go a little deeper into Kerri Rivera:  some contradictions in her book, her willful stupidity regarding science.  We will contemplate whether the use of MMS is another form of Scientology and if we have time, the dreaded "ropeworm".  

Remember, this is just an overview.  As I was telling Deb the other day, the past 3 weeks has been a reaction, a refutation, of one "simple" meme.  AV drive me gonzo, even more so the theists and it is shit like this that reminds me the science denialism as a whole is a cult.

This is a letter that Autismum penned to Kerri Rivera after her 2012 AutismOne presentation. I'm not going to get too deep here, but Autismum did receive a reply.  You will understand why I say it is a cult, why I say it is a mind-set.

Ms Rivera’s reply was brief  to say the least and here it is in full.

You have your science all wrong. The websites that you site are incorrect. I wish you and your son all the best. Wonderful hearing your opinion. Everyone has one be it informed or misinformed.
Kerri

The mind-set is the same and no amount of legitimate science is going to change their minds.  Whether it be AV, Climate Change, GMO or Creationism.

A response in defense,,,

Anonymous, January 9, 2013 at 11:25 AM:

have any of you naysayers atually [sic] read the book on MMS?

IT IS NOT BLEACH. chlorine dioxide is not bleach. look it up.

The drug companies want you to think it is bad because it cures diseases, is easy to make, and would lose the trillions of dollars. Why would doctors support it? They are forever connected to the pharmecutical [sic] companies.

chlorine dioxide is negatively charged and is attracted to other negatively charged things... parasites, pathogens, viruses.

you're healthy cells are positively charged are therefor repel chlorine dioxide.

after a couple of hours in your system, chlorine dioxide turns to salt and oxygen.

This is just dogma, it is the drek that both Humble a Rivera repeat over and over again.  Part of their commandments must be "It's not Bleach", "drug companies want you to think it is bad", and "pathogens".

if you say crap about MMS when you have NO knowledge or understanding, you are just as evil as the drug companies. No one has died from mms. How many people have died from prescribed drugs?

If you don't believe the chemestry [sic], believe the people who have cured themselves of parasites and cancer, the people whose lyme [sic] disease and aids once had them bed-ridden and now live pain free.

Dont [sic] be a drone of the system you idiots.

And, one of her come backs (it does get worse):

Amanzo, mother of Liam (3)June 12, 2012 at 8:43 PM

FDA? You mean the buddies of Big Pharm who profit from society being and staying sick? Please. I bet you also naively eat factory-farm meat and don't have a clue about e. coli. Probably where our kids got the parasites that are now coming out on an MMS/parasite protocol. If you'd like to see worm pics, I know moms who will gladly send them! But it looks like your team has found its 'facts' to propagate and follow and are unwilling to consider another perspective. Well, my team consists of proactive, reputable moms who report their hundreds of children are getting better day by day. I'll take that over the FDA any day. By the way, for the record, I want to add that my son is PERFECT. I love everything about him. If his body is not well, which has been my motherly instinct considering his mineral deficiencies, food sensitivities, candida yeast, and sleep disturbances despite healthy diets, then I will look into what helps his body so that his perfection can shine forth. I'm done responding to these blogs. I'd rather just be with my kids.

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Addendum - Show Notes::They're kinda related (Pt 3)

Dumb ass me forgot to include the for shit and giggle URLs.  In other words, more information if you choose to delve further in.  Instead of adding on to original post, I have made a separate one because of length.  I hope to touch on Kerri Rivera next week.

These are in no particular order nor is this list exhaustive.  There is much good information available, this is just some that I have found.

Humble's book

• Original book (4th Ed) 
• The Master Mineral Solution of the Third Millennium  

Propaganda videos for MMS (Links only)

• Saving Lives 

Some of Humble's goofy "religious" beliefs.  Ancient aliens anyone?  Can definitely "feel" L.Ron's (Scientology) influence.

• Video on the use of MMS 

If you notice, in the comments, a reliance on the notion of acid/alkaline theory of disease.  Simply put diseases can't live in an alkaline environment.  This same premise is behind the diet.

• Similar to the Project Camelot video noted in the main article; Jim Humble and the MMS narrative.  Notice where he say his Ministers of Health "expect donations if they succeed" [11:20 mark].

Debunk

• MMS Debunked  (Regretfully this site nor YouTube channel have remained active.)

• The comments on this are just so special, typical MMS apologetics.

• Again the comments,,,

• One more,,,

Media

From the CBC, we have this, 

Since 2010, Health Canada has issued seven health warnings for MMS.

The mixture — also sometimes known as Chlorine Dioxide Solution (CDS) — is being used in some cases by parents who are looking for a way to "cure" their children of autism.

"We have several case studies that have been published of people that have consumed sodium chlorite and had very serious side effects, including renal failure," said Lynda Balneaves, the director of the Centre of Integrative Medicine at the University of Toronto, which tests alternative medicines for safety and efficacy.

This comment says it all, "So We Have An Ex Scientologist Who Claims He's From Another Planet, A Mother With Absolutely No Medical Knowledge And A Make Shift Doctor With A Fake Degree Telling Us We Need To Rid Our Bodies Of Parasites And Diseases Like Cancer, Autism And Arthritis By Drinking Industrial Grade Bleach And Using It As An Enema And Photographing The Results Of Each Toilet Break To Check And Get Rid Of These Parasites??" [sic]



Connection to Rivera

Although not Humble, it is on his forum for the G2C.   Much like the Christian Revisionists prefer to cite the Declaration of Independence, these apologists cite patents; like they mean something.  From 2012,,,

If the medical establishment diagnosed my son or daughter with Autism, the only documentary I’d be producing is the one that handed neurotoxic needle-pushing poison peddlers their backsides. I’d then be off to looking under every rock for my child’s cure (because I know they wouldn’t be); and if I found it, I’d produce another documentary that handed them their frontsides. This would be my only mission in life - if my son had Autism.
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 Much unlike Drezner, we will be contacting the parents of the children that have reportedly made significant improvements using MMS, and we are currently collecting case by case clinical data showing MMS does what those singing its praises claim.

The thought crossed my mind; who’s underwriting Drezner, someone with ties to the FDA or Big Pharma? In a huge effort to not allow myself to be given over to absolute speculation like Drezner, I will wait and report my findings when they become factual.

Show Notes::They're kinda related (Pt 3)

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-nobleach4me-lori-pollard

Please note I have only linked, to videos to avoid any extraneous trouble.

So last week we kind of dibbled and dabbled around the edges of Jim Humble's, Genesis II church. This week we are gonna dive in head first. I want you to see how dangerous these people are. I want you to see that these "believers" are talking ingesting, as well as giving enemas, of a known dangerous chemical(s) to their autistic child(ren).
This according to the G2C, I want you to pay attention to their usage of words.  This is just one paragraph concerning whether MMS is bleach.

MMS (drops of chlorine dioxide mixed with water) is not a bleach. Every single chemical known to man can be poisonous when taken in too large of quantities,,, I am very very sorry that no scientist or scientific laboratory has ever written up and signed a scientific paper stating that MMS is not a bleach. The fact is, no laboratory ever thought that it would be necessary to come out and say that. It never occurred to any of them that someone would be dumb enough to start calling dilute solutions of chlorine dioxide a bleach. (Industrial strength Chlorine dioxide solutions has absolutely nothing to do with MMS.) MMS is only a few drops of Chlorine dioxide (or even just Sodium chlorite) diluted in plenty of water – it simply does not have the potential to bleach anything at all. That is ridiculous - to push the idea that MMS is a bleach, as no one has ever used MMS for a bleach. [Internal citation removed]

Now for shits and giggles, and I have noted this before, "Chlorine dioxide is mainly used as a bleach. As a disinfectant it is effective even at low concentrations, because of its unique qualities."

Oops,,, although not a "scientific paper" it is a statement on a company website that consults and provides "water treatment solutions" for various entities. 

And some FYIs:

1] The PDF document cited by G2C - Chapter 4: Chlorine Dioxide, "Alternative Disinfectants and Oxidants, EPA Guidance Manual" - does not in any manner speak to CD/MMS not being a bleaching agent.  It discusses CD's relevance as a comparison to chlorine, a member of the halogen group, as well as a oxidizer in industrial settings, primarily water treatment and as a disinfectant.

2] No where, in any anti-MMS material, has CD been equated to household bleach (sodium hyperclorite or NaOCl) BUT MMS or CD is a bleaching agent.  Bleach is defined as a chemical substance that removes color, whitens and disinfects, often by oxidation. So yes, CD is a bleach, it just is not household bleach; contrary to what G2C states.

,,,but the woman that has been parading out the data and idea that MMS is a bleach, is making those statements like she knows what she is talking about - and therein is the lie. She doesn't know what she is talking about and thus she is trying to sell us with the idea that her opinion is the truth. And that is the lie. No one has ever used MMS as a bleach, as it cannot possibly bleach anything. But she says everything with such confidence, that she knows when she cannot know. Something that cannot do what a bleach should do, cannot be a bleach.

3]  "I hope you understand this point, because one woman assumed for some unknown reason that MMS is a bleach - thereby causing irreparable harm to many people by continuing to push the idea, as there will be those with autistic children that will walk away without giving their children a chance to be cured this way." [Internal citation removed]

Well Jim, this is all I have to say,,, As Emily has easily shown if it looks like bleach, smells like bleach and acts like bleach,,,guess what?  It's bleach!!  If you force your autistic child to drink it and/or endure an enema, you are guilty of child abuse!

 
4]  Dose does make the poison. Remember in last weeks episode I mention Rivera making a batch of 3000ppm CD solution. Remember as well that I mentioned that CD has many industrial uses, some of which we do ingest. What I left off, residential tap water can contain up to 0.8 ppm of chlorine dioxide. "However, the variable strength of the mixture is one of the two large drawbacks to using MMS.  You should not need a degree in chemistry to be able to safely use an over the counter supplement,,,"

What is even more horrendous, twatwaffles like (Bishop) Kerri Rivera suggests a protocol of shoving it up your autistic child's ass to "cure" him or her of autism. Others, such as Andreas Kalcker, also push this crank as well.


From the Senapathy article cited above,

Autism cannot be cured. Evidence is building that while autism has both environmental and genetic causes, genetics play a predominant role. Shortly after scientists linked high-confidence genes with low functioning autism, I wrote a piece called Sorry Dr. Oz and Jenny McCarthy: More scientific proof vaccines, GMOs don’t cause autism. From that article:

“[S]cientists have now linked mutations in over a hundred genes to autism in two recent studies published in Nature. Unlike the heritable variants I mentioned, about 30 percent of those found in these studies are de novo mutations, meaning they occurred either within the sperm or egg cell from which the baby was conceived, or early in embryonic development. In conjunction with inherited variants, these de novo mutations appear to contribute to causing the more severe, lower IQ autism symptoms on the ASD spectrum. Higher-functioning autism seems to be influenced by inherited variants rather than de novo mutations. Notably, many disease-causing mutations are recessive, meaning that a child must inherit two defective copies, one from each parent. Interestingly, autistic individuals with any of six of the strongest causal variants are heterozygous, meaning they only inherited a defective copy from one parent.”

Even more recently, a study of hundreds of identical versus fraternal twin pairs suggests that heritability of autism ranges from 56% to 95%. While this doesn’t eliminate the role of environmental contribution to autism, it sure as hell corroborates the fact that YOU CAN’T BLEACH AWAY AUTISM. [Internal hyperlinks removed]

I want to make a couple points very clear from the outset.  One, I am only speaking to MMS for the moment.  (MMS2 is also peddled by G2C; as well as GcMAF (Gc protein-derived macrophage activating factor), a unlicensed blood product touted by Kerri Rivera and others.  Jeff Bradstreet being the most infamous. Stem Cell Therapy and regretfully now turpentine is being advocated by some MMS kooks.  These are but a few of the bogus cures being bandied about.  Chelation therapy to leach heavy metals from the blood - based on the flawed idea that mercury, ie thimerosal causes autism, hyperbaric pressurization (HBOT) and the Lupron Protocol (chemical castration) are among others.

FYI::  GcMAF is a topic unto itself and one I may tackle sometime in the near future.

Two, although MMS is touted as a "cure all" for every disease known to man (via a statement attributed to Jim Humble), my focus is only on its use to "cure" autism.

This breakthrough can save your life, or the life of a loved one. In 1996, while on a gold mining expedition in South America, I discovered that chlorine dioxide quickly cured malaria. Since that time, it has proven to restore partial or full health to hundreds of thousands of people suffering from a wide range of disease, including cancer, diabetes, hepatitis A, B, C, Lyme disease, MRSA, multiple sclerosis, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, HIV/AIDS, malaria, autism, infections of all kinds, arthritis, high cholesterol, acid reflux, kidney or liver diseases, aches and pains, allergies, urinary tract infections, digestive problems, high blood pressure, obesity, parasites, tumors and cysts, depression, sinus problems, eye disease, ear infections, dengue fever, skin problems, dental issues, problems with prostate (high PSA), erectile dysfunction and the list goes on. This is by far not a comprehensive list. I know it sounds too good to be true, but according to feedback I have received over the last 18 years, I think it’s safe to say MMS is able to overcome most diseases known to mankind.

I will specifically be looking at Kerri Rivera as she is the main proponent with claims stating her protocol is responsible for 214 children cured.  A past headline speaker for Autism One who fancies herself a "bio-med" consultant, she advocates through her book and lectures for MMS use.

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsZJrzRJ-hg
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqCDiW9_wVw#

Rivera came on the radar in 2015 with the publication of a NBC5 article, though she has been lecturing since 2007.

http://cdautism.org/

An interesting point made be Orac concerning claims made by Rivera,

,,,Let’s take Ms. Rivera at her word that approximately 40 children out of 400 families did indeed lose their autism diagnoses. This in no way implies that the bleach did it. Autism, after all, is a condition of developmental delay, not developmental stasis [dead URL]. As many as 19% of children diagnosed with autism at age two lose their diagnosis before their seventh birthday, either due to maturation, intervention, or over-diagnosis at age 2; so even if Ms. Rivera is not deluding herself about all these “recoveries,” what she is presenting is nothing spectacular that couldn’t be achieved by doing nothing at all outside of the mainstream. Yet she pours bleach down children’s throats and pumps it into their colons and then congratulates herself for results that could easily be achieved without MMS,,,

Three, l don't give two flying fucks what this "church" believes.  Keep it in the privacy of your home with consenting adults, you could fuck a tree for all I care; go off-grid, and shit in the woods.  BUT the second you hatch a little one, all bets are off.  Just as I, and many others, have issues with "faith healing" you bet your sweet ass I'm not gonna say nice things about you or your little cult.  There is no peer reviewed, scientific evidence to support your stance.  Regardless of whether your cult leader is "very very sorry that no scientist or scientific laboratory has ever written up and signed a scientific paper stating that MMS is not a bleach." Science trumps your "logic" every time.

And finally, some of the science I have touched on, I am not going to rehash the science. To blatantly ignore governmental warnings - CDC, EPA, FDA - numerous times (1), UK, Ireland (2), Australia and Kenya - secretively hide the use from authorities or even a spouse tells me all I need to know.


This is the video spoken of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvmFHwa_cbc

You know this crap is shit, yet in your delusion you have chosen to ignore the science whether for profit (and I'm not so nice to believe you are some sheep led astray or that you are being exploited) or to alleviate your guilt - your child is not injured or damaged, so stop parroting Jenny McCarthy.

And in that moment I died, but I also knew he was right. That was that mommy scary instinct going, “Yes, this is part of my journey, and this man is telling me the truth, and I need to do something,” which was pretty much cry in a ball, because he had no direction for me. It was just: “I’m sorry, he has autism, and there’s not a lot you can do. There’s some therapies, behavior therapies, but I’m sorry.”
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The first time I heard about the vaccine and autism connection was a month before Evan received his MMR shot. And I walked into my pediatrician’s office during the MMR time and said: “I don’t want Evan to have this shot. I’m really scared. It was in Time magazine. Parents are really concerned that this is the autism shot.”

And he got very angry at me — very, very angry — and swore at me and said: “It’s just parents’ desperate attempt to blame something. Has nothing to do with it.” My instinct was screaming, “No,” yet my husband, who was with me, wanted it. So he signed the paperwork to get the MMR. I couldn’t even do it. And that’s when the train kind of started to regress with Evan.

Having autism, is not the end of the world, nor is it a "holocaust".

They get the shot, that night they have a fever of a hundred and three, they go to sleep, and three months later their brain is gone. This is a holocaust, what this is doing to our country,' Kennedy added.

It is the last point I would like to focus on ATM before delving into the cult mind-think.  There two thoughts that abound in this CD cult, and they loosely fall within the parameters of a child being injured or damaged.

One, "you (the parent) do not love your child; if you did, you would do anything to cure your child."  The second being the notion that death is better than having an autistic child.  It is the denial that ASD is a lifelong disorder with "peaks and valleys" attributing any success in the growth and maturity autistic children is due to this miracle cure. With therapy and age these kids can learn better behavior and communication.  Shoving a bleaching agent up their ass only teaches avoidance.  Abuse a child long enough and they will try to avoid whatever causes the abuse by any means necessary. [64,73]

https://nomorebleach.wordpress.com/2015/02/08/check-out-cd-autism-for-yourselves/

In a bit of irony, parents who love their children will latch on to most anything that gives them hope of alleviating their children's suffering, or the suffering they experience watching their children with whatever ailment. This is what charlatans like Rivera, Humble, Kalcker and others rely on to make their millions.

Think it is not abuse or a form of Pavlovian behavior modification, think again.

https://nomorebleach.wordpress.com/2015/01/19/kerri-riveras-bizarre-participation-on-the-cd-autism-facebook-page/

(Bear in mind hidden within this POV is the belief that anything but genetics plays a role and that autism is a developmental delay not stasis.  Children do progress as they get older.  This view of delay has a mixed reception among the AV crowd and is not accepted by all.  I am also aware that more needs to be done for ASD adults, that is an argument for another day.)

This is but one story of many written by Kristina Chew for Care2 in regards to the 2012 AutismOne conference.

Years ago, when Charlie was little, my husband and I accepted that not only would he be autistic for life — autism isn’t something you just grow out of — but also that he will need caregivers all of us his life, that he will not go to college, get married, have children. Taking care of Charlie requires a lot of energy — he and my husband ride at least 12 miles a day on their bikes and Charlie and I put in a few miles of walking and running every day, rain and shine. I noted a number of special events at Autism One (“Spa Night,” “Dad’s Night Out“) meant to help parents “relax” because they “deserve it” (they do). While Charlie’s life is limited and his challenges many (he talks only a little and does not seem able to read, though lately we’ve seen a tiny flurry of progress in this area), we see no need to “expunge” — to bleach out — the autism from him. Charlie is never a burden and his being autistic is no tragedy: Hope dawns every day for us as we see him grow up and become the young man, the individual, that he is.

What is truly baffling in all this, “Healthcare fraud is a huge business in the US, and parents of children with autism are often targeted. Fringe treatment providers prey on desperation and fear, and deceive parents with numerous unfounded claims.”  Humble's book is full of them, as is Rivera's.  The fence sitters or "at wits end" parent I can sorta understand and have mixed feelings. 

http://io9.gizmodo.com/this-guy-has-not-done-his-homework-thoroughly-it-is-no-1565214243

A mild example that advocates of this crank with standard talking points

It is the peddlers of this shit that show up in the comments, or those who ignore all the science when presented, I have issue with.  It is one thing to have questions or seek answers, it is another to deny science based on a homeopath's say so and that is all Kerri Rivera is.  Remember neither she nor Humble are trained in any related field.

This is child abuse plain and simple,

Children with autism go through peaks and valleys with their behavior, and any child can eventually improve. If the treatment actually worked, these autistic children should be cured, but this isn’t the case, and when the child exhibits bad behavior the parents are encouraged to give a “double dose” of CD, which is a ten drop maximum into a 500 mL to 1 liter of water, well over the limit of what the FDA rules is safe for human ingestion. And perhaps the good behavior after the treatments are just signs of fatigue brought on by intense dehydration due to diarrhea, is this what a loving parent considers success?

But of course, Rivera cleverly absolves herself should anything go wrong. At the bottom of her website, it plainly states that she isn’t a professional and parents assume full responsibility for their own children, even if they act on her advice.

I have only briefly touched about this area of concern.  What clinched it for me was these two comments from about a year ago.  (Yes, I have been saving this for over a year.) It is an attitude that is becoming more prevalent today and it pains me.

(Although the originating post is public and from a public figure, I have chosen to remove the names from the comments.  A current check of the posting shows that one individual has removed said comment.)

https://nomorebleach.wordpress.com/2015/01/01/a-lesson-in-irony/

With both thoughts, a very important question that needs to be asked, "why do autistic people need to suffer so fucking outrageously before anyone notices? Is it because many of them are too young or non-verbal to stand up for themselves?" Hopefully it is something I can shed some light on in the next section.

Quote:

If this all sounds a little cultish, that's because it is. MMS was "discovered" by a man named Jim Humble, a former Scientologist who started his own church, called Genesis II, of which he is now the self-styled Archbishop. The church appears to be little more than a marketing organ for his alleged miracle cure, though it's worth noting that the site doesn't sell the actual wonder product it extolls [sic], but offers a host of supplementary materials like a $199 "MMS Home Video Course" and information on expensive MMS seminars.

The article continues,

If Humble is the pater familias of this wolfpack [sic] of chicanery, a woman named Kerri Rivera seems to be its den mother. A bishop in Humble's church, Rivera is the author of a book titled Healing the Symptoms Known as Autism, in which she recommends giving autistic children "hourly doses" of chlorine dioxide and advocates chlorine dioxide enemas as a way to "kill pathogens in the brain."

I have had a hard time putting together a short bio of the "creator" of MMS and the G2C.  It is hard to take anything this man says seriously when in 2011 he propagated a newsletter stating the FBI had a "kill order" for his life and the science is so flawed.  He is a promulgator of some out there narratives and lacking any reference point, fact checking is virtually impossible.

On the other hand fact checking some of his more ardent detractors have also proved difficult.  For the sake of sanity, there are some questionable highlights in his past that will be ignored, none of which at time of this writing I can confirm or deny.  That aside, my interest really is the creation of this so-called church and the dubious scientific claims made. The woo I have traveled through in putting this together has been quite interesting to say the least. [Transcribed from interview noted below.]

I like to believe that I’m a highly spiritual guy but not religious. I believe that uh, that the more spiritual a person is, and the more he looks into doing the things that he knows is right to do, the more power he has. I believe that in the whole movement towards a better health movement, towards making people well who are sick, which is totally against what the medical people are doing nowadays, but I believe the more people work towards right things, the more power they have.
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What’s happening to me in a sense is, people are showing up to talk to me about powerful things. I’m not free to discuss most of them but I think we are on the edge of a paradigm change in the healing industry and I think that change will happen in the next very few years.
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These things weren’t happening 10-20 years ago. Believe me the paradigm shift is coming, because there are a lot of people on Earth now that are beginning to do what they know is right.
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In the past, many millions or thousands of years ago; there was a group of us who agreed to be here and work on that paradigm shift (CP:  I’m one of those too!) – a lot of people! I’m meeting them, people calling me on the phone…

Why I can't take Humble serious,,,

Project Camelot interviews Jim Humble, the man behind MMS: Miracle Mineral Supplement (2008)

It's actually a decent interview but one that needs to listened to with a discerning ear, notice the anti-government/anti-pharmaceutical angle throughout. [You will notice the commonality to Hovind's mind-think in this area.] The bad science, well I just ignore that since I have dealt with it before.  At about the 54:00 minute mark, and this is a point that many detractors harp upon in defending science, listen to his explanation as to why no clinical studies.  It boils down to basically this one line.

Yes there’s a possibility but I discourage that! I’ve had chances – people have asked me if I wanted to do that and I have discouraged it because we have been a grass-roots movement from the very beginning. We’ve been very successful in being a grass-roots movement and when I say grass-roots I mean below the governments’ radar. They haven’t been aware of us.

I had one of my friends check with the FDA the other day, he went in and went to the third man in control in the FDA and asked him about MMS – what do they think about it? The guy said “well that’s just crap, we don’t worry about things like that. We have these multi-million dollar corporations that are furnishing herbs that are replacing some of the drugs and we have, we have a lot of, we don’t have enough money to control them” he said, “why are we gonna worry about some guy down in the street selling MMS!”

So they aren’t aware of what MMS will do, aren’t aware of what’s happening. I want to leave it that way.

I don’t want the governments and the various different drug companies finding out about it. I’ve had chances to go in national newspapers and one or two chances to go on national TV and I’ve always rejected it, although I’m happy to go on the internet and I’ve had a lot of different internet attention.

I didn’t wanna get it spread out so much that the government’s gonna get their hand in it – because you know what they do, they stop, they stop whatever they can. So I’ve been avoiding that.

Eventually it’s gonna come, though, eventually the news is gonna get out, but I’m gonna wait as long as I can on that.

Around the 32:00 minute mark, Humble mentions the healing hands BS.  Can we say Reiki or energy healing.

PC: Because you were a threat to the power struggle?

Maybe. One woman came to me with pain in her hands. She put her hand on mine and I said ‘can you feel my fingers?’… ‘oh! the pain’s going away, I can feel the tingling’. A missionary came in and said stop it, stop it… she decided I was evil.

I developed a technique for healing by touch. The basic theory is that the brain controls all the healing in your body so if you can increase the communication between the brain and the area that’s bad, it will heal faster. In minutes sometimes… a little bit like reiki but not really!

In other words, placebo effect.

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOfonI3W9Sc
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQqAvgm4zv8
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK62lAYWO3M

Damnit, all that time and I just found a transcript of the PC interview,,,sigh!!

Although, I will mention this, Humbles take on diabetes in a different video, something I have.It's 2-3 minutes:

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH7ul8uttAU

but notice he blames the ever elusive pathogen which is absurd.  Diabetes is a metabolic disorder, not one "caused" by a infectious agent.  This is one reason why this man's science can not be taken seriously.  He does not fucking know what he is talking about.


This is but some issues I have surrounding Humble's so-called church. While I do not think ingesting a bleaching agent wise, I could give two shits what an adult does to their own bodies.  It is when they go to the extremes suggested by Kerri Rivera, who I hope to highlight next week, I have issue with.  While he doesn't quite advocate, although that view may change, Humble does support her work.

[Note:  please be advised that some of my information is quite dated but still relevant.  As I dig more into Rivera next week, the dialogue may change.  I have noticed that Humble does follow a script of sorts in touting MMS and very rarely mentions Rivera's protocol.  Whether this is by design, I don't know.  They do or did communicate although that may have changed since Rivera has jumped ship for GcMAF.]

On to the church,,,

The following is from a 2010 newsletter in which Jim Humble made a statement to the church when it was being formed. While Humble states he is "spiritual but not religious" and comes off as a humanitarian type in various interviews, the sole purpose of his "church" is to bypass the government.

In the first paragraph, he makes that quite clear:

He is using the notion of SOCAS to protect the money mill.

He continues, by stating again, that his church exists primarily to side-step tricky governmental interference, and POWER.

And finally,  we have Humble's personal claim to power, his citing of some religious mumbo-jumbo.

To have the power of a church we need the legitimacy of the Church and that depends upon me. I was ordained in the lineage of Bishops traced all the way back to Christ. Actually, the apostles were Bishops, and they were given the power to create Churches and other Bishops by Christ,,,

In the end. IMO, all this for money and power.  Humble is not the gentle confused old man who wants to do good.  He is a conniving old man with a want for power and fame.  He is a manipulator who has convinced desperate people to drink the kool-aid.

See also:: "This church’s cancer-curing elixir is really bleach, federal authorities say":

,,,they’re not selling the substance but simply spreading their religious values.

“As long as I’m just telling you about it, it’s just education,” said 78-year-old Floyd Jerred, a bishop in the Genesis II Church of Health & Healing, which has made the elixir the centerpiece of its religion. “And if they do lock me up, I know how to do out-of-body travel. I can go anywhere, see anything I want to see anyway.”

And, "Genesis II Church Started By Jim Humble":

Its pretty simple. You have the the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. MMS is a way for those with severe disease to continue with life and liberty… and when I say liberty I mean liberty from the dicatates [sic] and controls of the Pharmaceutical industry and the AMA and their death drugs and forced vaccination and water contamination with fluroide [sic] and forced protocols of chemo, radiation and surgery throught [sic] the hands of doctors trained in this deadly death medicine.

Churches have a long history on providing haven and protection to civil liberties and rights. In this case the Genisis [sic] II,,,

I get asked, as a non-parent why I give a rats-ass about this issue.  It's a multipoint answer but I will say this.  I want to see the snake-oil salesmen like Humble and Rivera taken down a few pegs.  In all honesty, they need to be in jail and all profits forfeited.  All MMS and CD pushers, they're the ones making money off telling people to abuse their autistic children. They're the ones defrauding the public spanning 63 countries. So I think if enough awareness is raised, we will see people jailed and this pulled off the market.

This saddens me greatly. Instead of working to understand why children are as they are, instead of accepting them as precious beings in their own right, instead of educating ourselves, we resort to what would have been called witchcraft in earlier times,
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